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UH-OH! SWINE FLU VACCINE FOR KIDS UNDER RECALL! What Next? Bird Flu?
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James Fenimore
2009-12-15 19:41:12 UTC
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"800,000 doses of kids’ H1N1 vaccine recalled"

"Tests show the shots may not be potent enough to protect against
virus"

msnbc.com
December 15, 2009
updated 2 hours, 7 minutes ago



ATLANTA - Hundreds of thousands of swine flu shots for children have
been recalled because tests indicate the vaccine doses lost some
strength, government health officials said Tuesday.

The shots, made by Sanofi Pasteur, were distributed across the country
last month and most have already been used, according to the Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention. The 800,000 pre-filled syringes
that were recalled are for young children, ages 6 months to nearly 3
years.

Dr. Anne Schuchat, a CDC flu expert, stressed that parents don't need
to do anything or to worry if their child got one — or even two — of
the recalled shots. The vaccine is safe and effective, she said.
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The issue is the vaccine's strength. Tests done before the shots were
shipped showed that the vaccines were strong enough. But tests done
weeks later indicated the strength had fallen slightly below required
levels.

Why the potency dropped isn't clear. "That's the $64,000 question,"
said Len Lavenda, a Sanofi Pasteur spokesman.

Young children are supposed to get two doses, spaced about a month
apart. Health officials don't think children need to get vaccinated
again, even if they got two doses from the recalled lots, said
Schuchat.

Swine flu vaccine has been available since early October, and since
then manufacturers have released about 95 million doses for
distribution in the United States.

The recalled shots were made by Sanofi Pasteur, the vaccines division
of France-based Sanofi-Aventis Group. The vaccine all tested fine when
it was shipped out earlier this fall. But last week, testing of one
lot showed that the potency had fallen about 12 percent below the
government standard, Lavenda said.

The company found three other lots with diminished strength. It
notified government health officials and did a voluntary recall,
asking doctors to return any unused doses. The vaccine has been in
high demand and the company doesn't expect to see much come back,
Lavenda added.

Officials with the Food and Drug Administration, the CDC and the
company all said they believe the strength of the recalled doses is
still high enough to protect children against the virus. No potency
problem has been detected in the same vaccine packaged in other types
of syringes or vials, Lavenda said.

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Experts have a theory that the problem is specific to the children's
pre-filled syringes. For some reason, the antigen — the key vaccine
ingredient — may be sticking to the walls of those syringes, said Dr.
Jesse Goodman, the FDA's deputy commissioner for science and public
health.

Another manufacturer, Novartis, in February recalled five lots of
seasonal flu vaccine packed in pre-filled syringes under similar
circumstances.

Sanofi Pasteur bills itself as the No. 1 manufacturer of flu vaccines
in the world. It makes flu vaccine at sites in France and in
Pennsylvania.

Swine flu was first identified in April. During the first seven months
of the pandemic, it has sickened about 50 million Americans and killed
about 10,000, according to CDC estimates.

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
2009-12-15 19:52:18 UTC
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I wonder who tested the shots and found them to be too weak?

The kids?

........Trig
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
2009-12-15 19:59:28 UTC
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I wonder who tested the shots and found them to be too weak?
The kids?
........Trig
I missed a couple of paragraphs apparently on the first reading.....oh
well.

Sanofi Pasteur apparently. Still were they seeing flu among the
vaccinated and this provoked additional tests?
Either that and they are on the ball with in depth testing?
Mark Probert
2009-12-15 20:24:31 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com |
Post by ***@gmail.com |
I wonder who tested the shots and found them to be too weak?
The kids?
........Trig
I missed a couple of paragraphs apparently on the first reading.....oh
well.
Sanofi Pasteur apparently. Still were they seeing flu among the
vaccinated and this provoked additional tests?
Either that and they are on the ball with in depth testing?
Possibly both. However, the surveillance system appears to be working
quite well.

Too bad for the anti-vacs.
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
2009-12-16 00:21:27 UTC
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Post by Mark Probert
Post by ***@gmail.com |
Post by ***@gmail.com |
I wonder who tested the shots and found them to be too weak?
The kids?
........Trig
I missed a couple of paragraphs apparently on the first reading.....oh
well.
Sanofi Pasteur apparently. Still were they seeing flu among the
vaccinated and this provoked additional tests?
Either that and they are on the ball with in depth testing?
Possibly both. However, the surveillance system appears to be working
quite well.
Too bad for the anti-vacs.
Operative word here is "appears". I would prefer a bit
deeper reporting. Sigh.

When the real big killer flu comes, it may well not take its
sweet time in a world will air travel. Such that growing
the virus in an egg maybe just too slow.
And influenza doesn't look like a virus that quarantine
and vaccination can deliver a knock out blow to.
Perhaps a different approaches need looking into?
Mark Probert
2009-12-16 00:41:53 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com |
Post by Mark Probert
Post by ***@gmail.com |
Post by ***@gmail.com |
I wonder who tested the shots and found them to be too weak?
The kids?
........Trig
I missed a couple of paragraphs apparently on the first reading.....oh
well.
Sanofi Pasteur apparently. Still were they seeing flu among the
vaccinated and this provoked additional tests?
Either that and they are on the ball with in depth testing?
Possibly both. However, the surveillance system appears to be working
quite well.
Too bad for the anti-vacs.
Operative word here is "appears". I would prefer a bit
deeper reporting. Sigh.
When the real big killer flu comes, it may well not take its
sweet time in a world will air travel.
We did not have air travel in 1918-1919 like we do now. Imagine that
type of pandemic.

Such that growing
Post by ***@gmail.com |
the virus in an egg maybe just too slow.
Good point. There are companies that have been working to develop
newer, faster, methods. This flu epidemic was very educational in many
regards.
Post by ***@gmail.com |
And influenza doesn't look like a virus that quarantine
and vaccination can deliver a knock out blow to.
Agreed. It would require in home quarantine, and the only way for that
to happen would be suspending the Constitution.
Post by ***@gmail.com |
Perhaps a different approaches need looking into?-
That is worth a look. Nothing comes to my mind.
Peter B
2009-12-16 05:45:35 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com |
Post by Mark Probert
Post by ***@gmail.com |
Post by ***@gmail.com |
I wonder who tested the shots and found them to be too weak?
The kids?
........Trig
I missed a couple of paragraphs apparently on the first
reading.....oh
well.
Sanofi Pasteur apparently. Still were they seeing flu among the
vaccinated and this provoked additional tests?
Either that and they are on the ball with in depth testing?
Possibly both. However, the surveillance system appears to be working
quite well.
Too bad for the anti-vacs.
Operative word here is "appears". I would prefer a bit
deeper reporting. Sigh.
When the real big killer flu comes, it may well not take its
sweet time in a world will air travel.
We did not have air travel in 1918-1919 like we do now. Imagine that
type of pandemic.

Such that growing
Post by ***@gmail.com |
the virus in an egg maybe just too slow.
Good point. There are companies that have been working to develop
newer, faster, methods. This flu epidemic was very educational in many
regards.
Post by ***@gmail.com |
And influenza doesn't look like a virus that quarantine
and vaccination can deliver a knock out blow to.
Agreed. It would require in home quarantine, and the only way for that
to happen would be suspending the Constitution.
Post by ***@gmail.com |
Perhaps a different approaches need looking into?-
That is worth a look. Nothing comes to my mind.
============================================
Shut down all unnecessary international travel, allow only shipping and
receiving of goods and food stuffs for a period of three months.
Voluntary reductions in interstate non-business travel, shoot all
illegal border crossings.
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
2009-12-16 08:42:04 UTC
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Post by Mark Probert
Post by ***@gmail.com |
Post by Mark Probert
Post by ***@gmail.com |
Post by ***@gmail.com |
I wonder who tested the shots and found them to be too weak?
The kids?
........Trig
I missed a couple of paragraphs apparently on the first
reading.....oh
well.
Sanofi Pasteur apparently. Still were they seeing flu among the
vaccinated and this provoked additional tests?
Either that and they are on the ball with in depth testing?
Possibly both. However, the surveillance system appears to be working
quite well.
Too bad for the anti-vacs.
Operative word here is "appears". I would prefer a bit
deeper reporting. Sigh.
When the real big killer flu comes, it may well not take its
sweet time in a world will air travel.
We did not have air travel in 1918-1919 like we do now. Imagine that
type of pandemic.
Such that growing
Post by ***@gmail.com |
the virus in an egg maybe just too slow.
Good point. There are companies that have been working to develop
newer, faster, methods. This flu epidemic was very educational in many
regards.
Post by ***@gmail.com |
And influenza doesn't look like a virus that quarantine
and vaccination can deliver a knock out blow to.
Agreed. It would require in home quarantine, and the only way for that
to happen would be suspending the Constitution.
Post by ***@gmail.com |
Perhaps a different approaches need looking into?-
That is worth a look. Nothing comes to my mind.
============================================
Shut down all unnecessary international travel, allow only shipping and
receiving of goods and food stuffs for a period of three months.
Voluntary reductions in interstate non-business travel, shoot all
illegal border crossings.
Steam clean or UV treat shopping carts.

UV treat air in public areas.

I am still a fan of vitamin D3 and I'd like it properly tested.
That means 1000 IU per 11 kilograms with ~500 IU of
preformed vitamin A in the same ratio to mass.

And finally and this a change of view on part, I suspect
the Egyptian government killing all the swine wasn't completely wrong.
So I propose genetically altering swine at the immune level such
that they are more resistant or differently resistant to influenza.

Treating the mail with fumigation (this has been done surprising
far back in history here in the States for small pox), perhaps strong
UV or gamma
radiation for non-biologicals/non-food/non-drug packages in the care
of the
US Post Office.

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I am running my own personal experiment with vitamin D3 so no
shot for me. So far so good by the way.

Trig

William Kateri
2009-12-16 02:50:43 UTC
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I use MMS which is better and natural. I have had several client that
used MMS and the H1N1 went away with in a week.

Sure is nice to hear alittle more open reporting.

Wil
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