Anti-vaccine zealots form sham church

[Dan]

Gee, anti-vaxxers are really desperate to save their bodycount.

http://skep.li/12PU3oL

ALICIA WOOD THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MAY 30, 2013 12:00AM

CONTROVERSIAL anti-vaccination campaigner Meryl Dorey has been
encouraging parents to join "sham" churches to exploit a loophole in the
government's tough new vaccination policy.

Under new laws introduced on Tuesday, unvaccinated children are banned
from childcare centres unless their parents can prove immunisation was
against their religion or would cause a dangerous medical reaction.

Ms Dorey, who founded the Australian Vaccination Network, has urged her
followers on social media to join the "Church of Conscious Living" as a
way of avoiding the vaccination laws.

Health Minister Jillian Skinner was yesterday forced to answer questions
in parliament about the loophole in her new laws, but admitted her hands
were tied.

"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.

The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."

It costs $25 to become a member of the "church", which believes the
"body is a sacred space" and preaches "the rejection of orthodox
vaccination, for both adults, children and animals".

Ms Skinner said she was powerless to stop members of the fake church
from claiming "religious exemption" for vaccination. "I am alarmed that
a 'religion' would be created to thwart an important public health
initiative."

Opposition Leader John Robertson said he was horrified that the laws
contained such an obvious fault.

"This is a sham church that has clearly been set up by those who refuse
to vaccinate their children and seek an exemption from the law," Mr
Robertson said.

"This loophole has just given them the means to defy child vaccination
laws, and unfortunately no investigation will close this gaping hole."

The Daily Telegraph contacted Ms Dorey who said she had "no interest" in
answering our questions.

The state government adopted the new policy after a campaign by The
Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph that asked for unvaccinated
children to be banned from childcare centres.

The Healthcare Complaints Commission is investigating the AVN as a
result.

The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

[Bob Officer]

On Thu, 30 May 2013 08:50:50 +0800, in misc.health.alternative, Dan

Post by Dan
"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.
The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."

This isn't a religion it is a classic example conspiracy to evade the
law and commit a crime, it seems.



What will happen next? Will a group found a religion and demand the
right to beat their wives? Beat and molest children? How about
slavery as a religious right? Human sacrifice?

Will the government set back with its hands tied?

[Happy Oyster]

Post by Bob Officer
On Thu, 30 May 2013 08:50:50 +0800, in misc.health.alternative, Dan

Post by Dan
"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.
The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."

This isn't a religion it is a classic example conspiracy to evade the
law and commit a crime, it seems.
What will happen next? Will a group found a religion and demand the
right to beat their wives? Beat and molest children? How about
slavery as a religious right? Human sacrifice?
Will the government set back with its hands tied?

EXACTLY! That insanity must be stopped.

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 30 May 2013 08:50:50 +0800, the following appeared

Post by Dan
Gee, anti-vaxxers are really desperate to save their bodycount.
http://skep.li/12PU3oL
ALICIA WOOD THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MAY 30, 2013 12:00AM
CONTROVERSIAL anti-vaccination campaigner Meryl Dorey has been
encouraging parents to join "sham" churches to exploit a loophole in the
government's tough new vaccination policy.
Under new laws introduced on Tuesday, unvaccinated children are banned
from childcare centres unless their parents can prove immunisation was
against their religion or would cause a dangerous medical reaction.
Ms Dorey, who founded the Australian Vaccination Network, has urged her
followers on social media to join the "Church of Conscious Living" as a
way of avoiding the vaccination laws.
Health Minister Jillian Skinner was yesterday forced to answer questions
in parliament about the loophole in her new laws, but admitted her hands
were tied.
"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.
The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."
It costs $25 to become a member of the "church", which believes the
"body is a sacred space" and preaches "the rejection of orthodox
vaccination, for both adults, children and animals".
Ms Skinner said she was powerless to stop members of the fake church
from claiming "religious exemption" for vaccination. "I am alarmed that
a 'religion' would be created to thwart an important public health
initiative."
Opposition Leader John Robertson said he was horrified that the laws
contained such an obvious fault.
"This is a sham church that has clearly been set up by those who refuse
to vaccinate their children and seek an exemption from the law," Mr
Robertson said.
"This loophole has just given them the means to defy child vaccination
laws, and unfortunately no investigation will close this gaping hole."
The Daily Telegraph contacted Ms Dorey who said she had "no interest" in
answering our questions.
The state government adopted the new policy after a campaign by The
Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph that asked for unvaccinated
children to be banned from childcare centres.
The Healthcare Complaints Commission is investigating the AVN as a
result.
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Sounds like the NSW government needs to grow a set of balls.
Just because some nuts claim a "religion" they don't have
the right to violate the law.

[Bob Officer]

On Wed, 29 May 2013 18:53:06 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 08:50:50 +0800, the following appeared

Post by Dan
Gee, anti-vaxxers are really desperate to save their bodycount.
http://skep.li/12PU3oL
ALICIA WOOD THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MAY 30, 2013 12:00AM
CONTROVERSIAL anti-vaccination campaigner Meryl Dorey has been
encouraging parents to join "sham" churches to exploit a loophole in the
government's tough new vaccination policy.
Under new laws introduced on Tuesday, unvaccinated children are banned
from childcare centres unless their parents can prove immunisation was
against their religion or would cause a dangerous medical reaction.
Ms Dorey, who founded the Australian Vaccination Network, has urged her
followers on social media to join the "Church of Conscious Living" as a
way of avoiding the vaccination laws.
Health Minister Jillian Skinner was yesterday forced to answer questions
in parliament about the loophole in her new laws, but admitted her hands
were tied.
"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.
The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."
It costs $25 to become a member of the "church", which believes the
"body is a sacred space" and preaches "the rejection of orthodox
vaccination, for both adults, children and animals".
Ms Skinner said she was powerless to stop members of the fake church
from claiming "religious exemption" for vaccination. "I am alarmed that
a 'religion' would be created to thwart an important public health
initiative."
Opposition Leader John Robertson said he was horrified that the laws
contained such an obvious fault.
"This is a sham church that has clearly been set up by those who refuse
to vaccinate their children and seek an exemption from the law," Mr
Robertson said.
"This loophole has just given them the means to defy child vaccination
laws, and unfortunately no investigation will close this gaping hole."
The Daily Telegraph contacted Ms Dorey who said she had "no interest" in
answering our questions.
The state government adopted the new policy after a campaign by The
Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph that asked for unvaccinated
children to be banned from childcare centres.
The Healthcare Complaints Commission is investigating the AVN as a
result.
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Sounds like the NSW government needs to grow a set of balls.
Just because some nuts claim a "religion" they don't have
the right to violate the law.

That's my take. it looks like a conspiracy ( plan or plot to
intentionally violate the law) to me.

[Happy Oyster]

Post by Bob Officer
On Wed, 29 May 2013 18:53:06 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 08:50:50 +0800, the following appeared

Post by Dan
Gee, anti-vaxxers are really desperate to save their bodycount.
http://skep.li/12PU3oL
ALICIA WOOD THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MAY 30, 2013 12:00AM
CONTROVERSIAL anti-vaccination campaigner Meryl Dorey has been
encouraging parents to join "sham" churches to exploit a loophole in the
government's tough new vaccination policy.
Under new laws introduced on Tuesday, unvaccinated children are banned
from childcare centres unless their parents can prove immunisation was
against their religion or would cause a dangerous medical reaction.
Ms Dorey, who founded the Australian Vaccination Network, has urged her
followers on social media to join the "Church of Conscious Living" as a
way of avoiding the vaccination laws.
Health Minister Jillian Skinner was yesterday forced to answer questions
in parliament about the loophole in her new laws, but admitted her hands
were tied.
"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.
The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."
It costs $25 to become a member of the "church", which believes the
"body is a sacred space" and preaches "the rejection of orthodox
vaccination, for both adults, children and animals".
Ms Skinner said she was powerless to stop members of the fake church
from claiming "religious exemption" for vaccination. "I am alarmed that
a 'religion' would be created to thwart an important public health
initiative."
Opposition Leader John Robertson said he was horrified that the laws
contained such an obvious fault.
"This is a sham church that has clearly been set up by those who refuse
to vaccinate their children and seek an exemption from the law," Mr
Robertson said.
"This loophole has just given them the means to defy child vaccination
laws, and unfortunately no investigation will close this gaping hole."
The Daily Telegraph contacted Ms Dorey who said she had "no interest" in
answering our questions.
The state government adopted the new policy after a campaign by The
Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph that asked for unvaccinated
children to be banned from childcare centres.
The Healthcare Complaints Commission is investigating the AVN as a
result.
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Sounds like the NSW government needs to grow a set of balls.
Just because some nuts claim a "religion" they don't have
the right to violate the law.

That's my take. it looks like a conspiracy ( plan or plot to
intentionally violate the law) to me.

It IS a conspiracy. In Germany anti-vaxxers commit a lot of
conspiracies, ranging from parents sending theiur ill children into the
roads to infect others to parents sending their ill children into
schools despite they do knoiw damned well, that the children ARE ill and
that they will set others at lethal risk.

[Happy Oyster]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 08:50:50 +0800, the following appeared

Post by Dan
Gee, anti-vaxxers are really desperate to save their bodycount.
http://skep.li/12PU3oL
ALICIA WOOD THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MAY 30, 2013 12:00AM
CONTROVERSIAL anti-vaccination campaigner Meryl Dorey has been
encouraging parents to join "sham" churches to exploit a loophole in the
government's tough new vaccination policy.
Under new laws introduced on Tuesday, unvaccinated children are banned
from childcare centres unless their parents can prove immunisation was
against their religion or would cause a dangerous medical reaction.
Ms Dorey, who founded the Australian Vaccination Network, has urged her
followers on social media to join the "Church of Conscious Living" as a
way of avoiding the vaccination laws.
Health Minister Jillian Skinner was yesterday forced to answer questions
in parliament about the loophole in her new laws, but admitted her hands
were tied.
"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.
The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."
It costs $25 to become a member of the "church", which believes the
"body is a sacred space" and preaches "the rejection of orthodox
vaccination, for both adults, children and animals".
Ms Skinner said she was powerless to stop members of the fake church
from claiming "religious exemption" for vaccination. "I am alarmed that
a 'religion' would be created to thwart an important public health
initiative."
Opposition Leader John Robertson said he was horrified that the laws
contained such an obvious fault.
"This is a sham church that has clearly been set up by those who refuse
to vaccinate their children and seek an exemption from the law," Mr
Robertson said.
"This loophole has just given them the means to defy child vaccination
laws, and unfortunately no investigation will close this gaping hole."
The Daily Telegraph contacted Ms Dorey who said she had "no interest" in
answering our questions.
The state government adopted the new policy after a campaign by The
Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph that asked for unvaccinated
children to be banned from childcare centres.
The Healthcare Complaints Commission is investigating the AVN as a
result.
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Sounds like the NSW government needs to grow a set of balls.
Just because some nuts claim a "religion" they don't have
the right to violate the law.

So it is!

[Sylvia Else]

Post by Dan
Gee, anti-vaxxers are really desperate to save their bodycount.
http://skep.li/12PU3oL
ALICIA WOOD THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MAY 30, 2013 12:00AM
CONTROVERSIAL anti-vaccination campaigner Meryl Dorey has been
encouraging parents to join "sham" churches to exploit a loophole in the
government's tough new vaccination policy.
Under new laws introduced on Tuesday, unvaccinated children are banned
from childcare centres unless their parents can prove immunisation was
against their religion or would cause a dangerous medical reaction.
Ms Dorey, who founded the Australian Vaccination Network, has urged her
followers on social media to join the "Church of Conscious Living" as a
way of avoiding the vaccination laws.
Health Minister Jillian Skinner was yesterday forced to answer questions
in parliament about the loophole in her new laws, but admitted her hands
were tied.
"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.
The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."
It costs $25 to become a member of the "church", which believes the
"body is a sacred space" and preaches "the rejection of orthodox
vaccination, for both adults, children and animals".
Ms Skinner said she was powerless to stop members of the fake church
from claiming "religious exemption" for vaccination. "I am alarmed that
a 'religion' would be created to thwart an important public health
initiative."
Opposition Leader John Robertson said he was horrified that the laws
contained such an obvious fault.
"This is a sham church that has clearly been set up by those who refuse
to vaccinate their children and seek an exemption from the law," Mr
Robertson said.
"This loophole has just given them the means to defy child vaccination
laws, and unfortunately no investigation will close this gaping hole."
The Daily Telegraph contacted Ms Dorey who said she had "no interest" in
answering our questions.
The state government adopted the new policy after a campaign by The
Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph that asked for unvaccinated
children to be banned from childcare centres.
The Healthcare Complaints Commission is investigating the AVN as a
result.
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

The Bill can be found here.

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/131a07fa4b8a041cca256e610012de17/c5d744535f879759ca257b79001e8059/$FILE/b2013-075-d09-House.pdf

It contains the concientious objection provision. I can see no reference
to religion. Indeed, it's far from clear that a distinction would need
to be drawn.

Sylvia.

[Happy Oyster]

On Thu, 30 May 2013 17:14:50 +1000, Sylvia Else

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Dan
Gee, anti-vaxxers are really desperate to save their bodycount.
http://skep.li/12PU3oL
ALICIA WOOD THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MAY 30, 2013 12:00AM
CONTROVERSIAL anti-vaccination campaigner Meryl Dorey has been
encouraging parents to join "sham" churches to exploit a loophole in the
government's tough new vaccination policy.
Under new laws introduced on Tuesday, unvaccinated children are banned
from childcare centres unless their parents can prove immunisation was
against their religion or would cause a dangerous medical reaction.
Ms Dorey, who founded the Australian Vaccination Network, has urged her
followers on social media to join the "Church of Conscious Living" as a
way of avoiding the vaccination laws.
Health Minister Jillian Skinner was yesterday forced to answer questions
in parliament about the loophole in her new laws, but admitted her hands
were tied.
"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.
The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."
It costs $25 to become a member of the "church", which believes the
"body is a sacred space" and preaches "the rejection of orthodox
vaccination, for both adults, children and animals".
Ms Skinner said she was powerless to stop members of the fake church
from claiming "religious exemption" for vaccination. "I am alarmed that
a 'religion' would be created to thwart an important public health
initiative."
Opposition Leader John Robertson said he was horrified that the laws
contained such an obvious fault.
"This is a sham church that has clearly been set up by those who refuse
to vaccinate their children and seek an exemption from the law," Mr
Robertson said.
"This loophole has just given them the means to defy child vaccination
laws, and unfortunately no investigation will close this gaping hole."
The Daily Telegraph contacted Ms Dorey who said she had "no interest" in
answering our questions.
The state government adopted the new policy after a campaign by The
Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph that asked for unvaccinated
children to be banned from childcare centres.
The Healthcare Complaints Commission is investigating the AVN as a
result.
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

The Bill can be found here.
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/131a07fa4b8a041cca256e610012de17/c5d744535f879759ca257b79001e8059/$FILE/b2013-075-d09-House.pdf

What a bloody stupid asshole of a web-master! That URL is no
readable/writable for humans.

Post by Sylvia Else
It contains the concientious objection provision. I can see no reference
to religion. Indeed, it's far from clear that a distinction would need
to be drawn.
Sylvia.

[Sylvia Else]

Post by Happy Oyster
On Thu, 30 May 2013 17:14:50 +1000, Sylvia Else

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Dan
Gee, anti-vaxxers are really desperate to save their bodycount.
http://skep.li/12PU3oL
ALICIA WOOD THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MAY 30, 2013 12:00AM
CONTROVERSIAL anti-vaccination campaigner Meryl Dorey has been
encouraging parents to join "sham" churches to exploit a loophole in the
government's tough new vaccination policy.
Under new laws introduced on Tuesday, unvaccinated children are banned
from childcare centres unless their parents can prove immunisation was
against their religion or would cause a dangerous medical reaction.
Ms Dorey, who founded the Australian Vaccination Network, has urged her
followers on social media to join the "Church of Conscious Living" as a
way of avoiding the vaccination laws.
Health Minister Jillian Skinner was yesterday forced to answer questions
in parliament about the loophole in her new laws, but admitted her hands
were tied.
"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.
The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."
It costs $25 to become a member of the "church", which believes the
"body is a sacred space" and preaches "the rejection of orthodox
vaccination, for both adults, children and animals".
Ms Skinner said she was powerless to stop members of the fake church
from claiming "religious exemption" for vaccination. "I am alarmed that
a 'religion' would be created to thwart an important public health
initiative."
Opposition Leader John Robertson said he was horrified that the laws
contained such an obvious fault.
"This is a sham church that has clearly been set up by those who refuse
to vaccinate their children and seek an exemption from the law," Mr
Robertson said.
"This loophole has just given them the means to defy child vaccination
laws, and unfortunately no investigation will close this gaping hole."
The Daily Telegraph contacted Ms Dorey who said she had "no interest" in
answering our questions.
The state government adopted the new policy after a campaign by The
Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph that asked for unvaccinated
children to be banned from childcare centres.
The Healthcare Complaints Commission is investigating the AVN as a
result.
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

The Bill can be found here.
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/131a07fa4b8a041cca256e610012de17/c5d744535f879759ca257b79001e8059/$FILE/b2013-075-d09-House.pdf

What a bloody stupid asshole of a web-master! That URL is no
readable/writable for humans.

Why does it need to be?

Sylvia.

[Happy Oyster]

On Fri, 31 May 2013 12:05:45 +1000, Sylvia Else

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Happy Oyster
On Thu, 30 May 2013 17:14:50 +1000, Sylvia Else

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Dan
Gee, anti-vaxxers are really desperate to save their bodycount.
http://skep.li/12PU3oL
ALICIA WOOD THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MAY 30, 2013 12:00AM
CONTROVERSIAL anti-vaccination campaigner Meryl Dorey has been
encouraging parents to join "sham" churches to exploit a loophole in the
government's tough new vaccination policy.
Under new laws introduced on Tuesday, unvaccinated children are banned
from childcare centres unless their parents can prove immunisation was
against their religion or would cause a dangerous medical reaction.
Ms Dorey, who founded the Australian Vaccination Network, has urged her
followers on social media to join the "Church of Conscious Living" as a
way of avoiding the vaccination laws.
Health Minister Jillian Skinner was yesterday forced to answer questions
in parliament about the loophole in her new laws, but admitted her hands
were tied.
"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.
The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."
It costs $25 to become a member of the "church", which believes the
"body is a sacred space" and preaches "the rejection of orthodox
vaccination, for both adults, children and animals".
Ms Skinner said she was powerless to stop members of the fake church
from claiming "religious exemption" for vaccination. "I am alarmed that
a 'religion' would be created to thwart an important public health
initiative."
Opposition Leader John Robertson said he was horrified that the laws
contained such an obvious fault.
"This is a sham church that has clearly been set up by those who refuse
to vaccinate their children and seek an exemption from the law," Mr
Robertson said.
"This loophole has just given them the means to defy child vaccination
laws, and unfortunately no investigation will close this gaping hole."
The Daily Telegraph contacted Ms Dorey who said she had "no interest" in
answering our questions.
The state government adopted the new policy after a campaign by The
Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph that asked for unvaccinated
children to be banned from childcare centres.
The Healthcare Complaints Commission is investigating the AVN as a
result.
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

The Bill can be found here.
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/131a07fa4b8a041cca256e610012de17/c5d744535f879759ca257b79001e8059/$FILE/b2013-075-d09-House.pdf

What a bloody stupid asshole of a web-master! That URL is no
readable/writable for humans.

Why does it need to be?
Sylvia.

A brilliant question. Brilliant like dead old charcoal.

[Happy Oyster]

On Thu, 30 May 2013 08:50:50 +0800, Dan <***@bigpharma.com.au>
wrote:

It is like Scientology: no church, but nothing but a fraud.

Post by Dan
Gee, anti-vaxxers are really desperate to save their bodycount.
http://skep.li/12PU3oL
ALICIA WOOD THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MAY 30, 2013 12:00AM
CONTROVERSIAL anti-vaccination campaigner Meryl Dorey has been
encouraging parents to join "sham" churches to exploit a loophole in the
government's tough new vaccination policy.
Under new laws introduced on Tuesday, unvaccinated children are banned
from childcare centres unless their parents can prove immunisation was
against their religion or would cause a dangerous medical reaction.
Ms Dorey, who founded the Australian Vaccination Network, has urged her
followers on social media to join the "Church of Conscious Living" as a
way of avoiding the vaccination laws.
Health Minister Jillian Skinner was yesterday forced to answer questions
in parliament about the loophole in her new laws, but admitted her hands
were tied.
"The NSW government is not legally able to prevent people practising a
religion or following religious beliefs," Ms Skinner said.
The Church of Conscious Living was founded by Jane Leonforte and Adriano
Regano in Queensland in 2008, with the express purpose of creating a
front for vaccination exemptions. In a letter sent by the "church" to
their followers, Ms Leonforte and Mr Regano admit "we have decided to
create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious
exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children."
It costs $25 to become a member of the "church", which believes the
"body is a sacred space" and preaches "the rejection of orthodox
vaccination, for both adults, children and animals".
Ms Skinner said she was powerless to stop members of the fake church
from claiming "religious exemption" for vaccination. "I am alarmed that
a 'religion' would be created to thwart an important public health
initiative."
Opposition Leader John Robertson said he was horrified that the laws
contained such an obvious fault.
"This is a sham church that has clearly been set up by those who refuse
to vaccinate their children and seek an exemption from the law," Mr
Robertson said.
"This loophole has just given them the means to defy child vaccination
laws, and unfortunately no investigation will close this gaping hole."
The Daily Telegraph contacted Ms Dorey who said she had "no interest" in
answering our questions.
The state government adopted the new policy after a campaign by The
Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph that asked for unvaccinated
children to be banned from childcare centres.
The Healthcare Complaints Commission is investigating the AVN as a
result.
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!

Tell moi another tall tale.

[Happy Oyster]

On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

John H. Gohde talks bullshit.

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

Doctor, medical researcher, epidemiologist? Hell No! I am better
than that. I am a tax paying Internet Publisher operating wherever
there is Freedom of the Press, on the World Wide Web.

Total Bull, and I do NOT mind saying so.

Now, can all the "vaccine induced health rejects" kindly stay the F*ck
away from moi. YOU are infringing upon moi's right to breathe clean
air and being associated with positive people ALL around me.

Your constant disease states are infringing upon moi's right to stay
healthy. :)

[Bob Casanova]

On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:30:16 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

Doctor, medical researcher, epidemiologist? Hell No! I am better
than that. I am a tax paying Internet Publisher operating wherever
there is Freedom of the Press, on the World Wide Web.

So you're incompetent in matters relating to medicine? OK.

<snip idiocy>

[John H. Gohde]

Here in the States, I am being bombarded with vaccine advertisements
on the radio constantly.

If vaccines actually worked, then there would be no need for these
advertisements. The use of advertisements by the vaccine industry
speaks well of the fraudulent nature of the vaccine industry.

They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

[george152]

Post by John H. Gohde
Here in the States, I am being bombarded with vaccine advertisements
on the radio constantly.
If vaccines actually worked, then there would be no need for these
advertisements. The use of advertisements by the vaccine industry
speaks well of the fraudulent nature of the vaccine industry.
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Some-one needs to live in the 18th century .....

[Sylvia Else]

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.

Sylvia.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

[Sylvia Else]

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?

Sylvia.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

YOU could always try using what is left of YOUR brain.

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny comes to my mind, right off the bat.

Youtube video: Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science
Reveal 2003, one hour 47 minutes long.

[Sylvia Else]

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
YOU could always try using what is left of YOUR brain.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny comes to my mind, right off the bat.
Youtube video: Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science
Reveal 2003, one hour 47 minutes long.
http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng

That's not on the CDC site. Why should I believe something in a youtube
video?

More interesting, why would you believe it?

Sylvia.

[Woody]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
YOU could always try using what is left of YOUR brain.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny comes to my mind, right off the bat.
Youtube video: Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science
Reveal 2003, one hour 47 minutes long.
http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng

That's not on the CDC site. Why should I believe something in a youtube
video?
More interesting, why would you believe it?

Because he's ignorant.


"Men are bullies, they start and conduct all the wars.
All pedophiles and rapists are men. Practically all
murderers and criminals are men. All secret societies
that plot against the world are populated by men. All
big corporations that rob and loot the world's resources
are run by men." - carole hubbard the misandrist
Message-ID: <5tehl.16405$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
YOU could always try using what is left of YOUR brain.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny comes to my mind, right off the bat.
Youtube video:  Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science
Reveal 2003, one hour 47 minutes long.
http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng

That's not on the CDC site. Why should I believe something in a youtube
video?
More interesting, why would you believe it?
Sylvia.

How many thousands of dollars are you going to pay moi, to track down
ALL the citations? Then and ONLY when I get my money, will I kiss
your ass. :)

Watch the 2 hour long video and educate yourself, Moron.

[Sylvia Else]

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
YOU could always try using what is left of YOUR brain.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny comes to my mind, right off the bat.
Youtube video: Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science
Reveal 2003, one hour 47 minutes long.
http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng

That's not on the CDC site. Why should I believe something in a youtube
video?
More interesting, why would you believe it?
Sylvia.

How many thousands of dollars are you going to pay moi, to track down
ALL the citations? Then and ONLY when I get my money, will I kiss
your ass. :)
Watch the 2 hour long video and educate yourself, Moron.

You said the data was on the CDC site, but it appears you haven't
checked that the relevant data exists, much less whether it's being
correctly interpreted. You were the one making the claim. It's up to you
to support it.

Sylvia.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
YOU could always try using what is left of YOUR brain.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny comes to my mind, right off the bat.
Youtube video:  Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science
Reveal 2003, one hour 47 minutes long.
http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng

That's not on the CDC site. Why should I believe something in a youtube
video?
More interesting, why would you believe it?
Sylvia.

How many thousands of dollars are you going to pay moi, to track down
ALL the citations?  Then and ONLY when I get my money, will I kiss
your ass.  :)
Watch the 2 hour long video and educate yourself, Moron.

You said the data was on the CDC site, but it appears you haven't
checked that the relevant data exists, much less whether it's being
correctly interpreted. You were the one making the claim. It's up to you
to support it.
Sylvia.

Bite Me, Fossil!

I just proved to all who will watch this vid that Sylvia is an Ass.

This is the New Millennium. It is about time that dated Fossils like
Sylvia figured it out.

Signing out for more productive endeavors ...

[Sylvia Else]

Post by John H. Gohde
Bite Me, Fossil!
I just proved to all who will watch this vid that Sylvia is an Ass.
This is the New Millennium. It is about time that dated Fossils like
Sylvia figured it out.
Signing out for more productive endeavors ...

Well, I think we understand the situation now. John attaches equal
importance to data from youtube as to data from the Centre for Disease
Control. Probably his notion of "balance". Nothing very surprising there.

Sylvia.

[Bob Officer]

On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 00:39:24 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
Bite Me, Fossil!
I just proved to all who will watch this vid that Sylvia is an Ass.
This is the New Millennium. It is about time that dated Fossils like
Sylvia figured it out.
Signing out for more productive endeavors ...

Well, I think we understand the situation now. John attaches equal
importance to data from youtube as to data from the Centre for Disease
Control. Probably his notion of "balance". Nothing very surprising there.
Sylvia.

odd john is in the clutches of premature senility. When he realizes
that anyone with a video camera can make a video and upload it to
youtube, then maybe he will stop failing for what appears to be like
most of Tenpenny's work, post hoc fallacies.

[Woody]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
Bite Me, Fossil!
I just proved to all who will watch this vid that Sylvia is an Ass.
This is the New Millennium. It is about time that dated Fossils like
Sylvia figured it out.
Signing out for more productive endeavors ...

Well, I think we understand the situation now. John attaches equal
importance to data from youtube as to data from the Centre for
Disease Control. Probably his notion of "balance". Nothing very
surprising there.

Confusion reigns with Odd John.

[george152]

Post by Sylvia Else
You said the data was on the CDC site, but it appears you haven't
checked that the relevant data exists, much less whether it's being
correctly interpreted. You were the one making the claim. It's up to you
to support it.

Like that's ever going to happen.

[Woody]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
YOU could always try using what is left of YOUR brain.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny comes to my mind, right off the bat.
Youtube video: Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science
Reveal 2003, one hour 47 minutes long.
http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng

That's not on the CDC site. Why should I believe something in a youtube
video?
More interesting, why would you believe it?

How many thousands of dollars are you going to pay moi, to track down
ALL the citations? Then and ONLY when I get my money, will I kiss
your ass. :)
Watch the 2 hour long video and educate yourself, Moron.

You said the data was on the CDC site, but it appears you haven't
checked that the relevant data exists, much less whether it's being
correctly interpreted. You were the one making the claim. It's up to
you to support it.

Odd John doesn't understand that he has the burden of proof for claims
he makes. He also doesn't understand what constitutes proof. But then,
he's in the same league as crazy carole.

[Katherine Clairmont]

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
YOU could always try using what is left of YOUR brain.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny comes to my mind, right off the bat.
Youtube video:  Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science
Reveal 2003, one hour 47 minutes long.
http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng

That's not on the CDC site. Why should I believe something in a youtube
video?
More interesting, why would you believe it?
Sylvia.

How many thousands of dollars are you going to pay moi, to track down
ALL the citations? Then and ONLY when I get my money, will I kiss
your ass. :)
Watch the 2 hour long video and educate yourself, Moron.

You do not get to demand money for citing sources for your claim. The burden of proof is on you, and if you are unwilling to carry that burden, your claim is fallacious and you are simply not credible. Asking for compensation so you can prove your point is the opposite of good science.

[Bob Casanova]

On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 23:32:56 +1000, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by Sylvia Else

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
YOU could always try using what is left of YOUR brain.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny comes to my mind, right off the bat.
Youtube video: Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science
Reveal 2003, one hour 47 minutes long.
http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng

That's not on the CDC site. Why should I believe something in a youtube
video?

Standard technique - YouTube videos as "references".

Post by Sylvia Else
More interesting, why would you believe it?

Rhetorical question?

[Sylvia Else]

Post by Bob Casanova

Post by Sylvia Else
More interesting, why would you believe it?

Rhetorical question?

Not entirely. It would be interesting to hear why John believes it.
However, I don't seriously expect him to explain that in any detail, or
even for him to have any insight into why.

Sylvia.

[Bob Casanova]

On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 11:38:10 +1000, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by Sylvia Else

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Bob Casanova

Post by Sylvia Else
More interesting, why would you believe it?

Rhetorical question?

Not entirely. It would be interesting to hear why John believes it.
However, I don't seriously expect him to explain that in any detail, or
even for him to have any insight into why.

Same here. I assumed it was rhetorical because it seems
obvious to me that he's one of the "latch onto a spurious
and unsupported claim and beat it to death" crowd, and
because he seems to actually accept YouTube video clips as
"evidence" for the claim. Combined, these make him a "True
Believer" with all the baggage that entails.

[Bob Officer]

On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 23:32:56 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
YOU could always try using what is left of YOUR brain.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny comes to my mind, right off the bat.
Youtube video: Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science
Reveal 2003, one hour 47 minutes long.
http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng

That's not on the CDC site. Why should I believe something in a youtube
video?

because the CDC usually tries not to publish cherry picked data and
studies which are have serious procedural problems.

Post by Sylvia Else
More interesting, why would you believe it?

odd john is not the sharpest knife in the cutting block.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
YOU could always try using what is left of YOUR brain.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny comes to my mind, right off the bat.
Youtube video:  Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science
Reveal 2003, one hour 47 minutes long.

http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng

This is the New Millennium. It is about time that Dated Fossils, like
Sylvia, finally figured it out.

NOT only did moi produce the goods, I just proved that Sylvia is
nothing but a Dated Fossil who is unable to concentrate for 2 hours.
The poor girl is clearly suffering from early onset age-related
dementia. Unable to think for herself, Sylvia can only regurgitate
the same old tired crap that her professors had pounded into her skull
some 30 years ago.

All the information in this YouTube video is up to date, accurate, and
completely understandable by anyone who has enough mental capacity to
focus for 2 hours. May I be so bold as to suggest using the pause
button for those who cannot sit still that long.

[Sylvia Else]

Post by John H. Gohde
All the information in this YouTube video is up to date, accurate, and
completely understandable by anyone who has enough mental capacity to
focus for 2 hours.

It may be, but am I to take your word for it? Why should I?

So much better for you to point to the data on CDC, which is where you
said the data was.

Sylvia.

[Bob Officer]

On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 23:13:55 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
They figure that if you repeat the same lie long enough and and often
enough some uninformed people might actually buy it.

Ah, so that's the approach the anti-vaxers are taking.
Sylvia.

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

You've thrown in the towel already?

The towel was thrown in before he started. odd john;s logic is
non-existance and nearly always flawed in a large degree

Post by Sylvia Else
Sylvia.

[John H. Gohde]

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science Reveal, 2003, in a
one hour 47 minutes long detailed presentation of the anti-vaccination
evidence by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny.

http://tinyurl.com/kk5hwjf

It is called video. This is the New Millennium, after all. There is
NOT a damn thing wrong with using video to communicate to the public.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny has dozens of shorter videos around the Internet
on essentially the same subject.

[Sylvia Else]

Post by John H. Gohde
Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science Reveal, 2003, in a
one hour 47 minutes long detailed presentation of the anti-vaccination
evidence by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny.
http://tinyurl.com/kk5hwjf
It is called video. This is the New Millennium, after all. There is
NOT a damn thing wrong with using video to communicate to the public.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny has dozens of shorter videos around the Internet
on essentially the same subject.

The issue is not the medium itself, but the fact that there's no reason
to trust the person who made the video. But this all comes back to your
claim that there were CDC documents showing that vaccines don't work.
You have consistently failed to identify any such CDC documents (or,
indeed, any CDC documents at all). That would remain true even if you
could find videos that were absolutely impeccable.

Sylvia.

[Ernie]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science Reveal, 2003, in a
one hour 47 minutes long detailed presentation of the anti-vaccination
evidence by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny.
http://tinyurl.com/kk5hwjf
It is called video. This is the New Millennium, after all. There is
NOT a damn thing wrong with using video to communicate to the public.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny has dozens of shorter videos around the Internet
on essentially the same subject.

The issue is not the medium itself, but the fact that there's no
reason to trust the person who made the video. But this all comes
back to your claim that there were CDC documents showing that
vaccines don't work. You have consistently failed to identify any
such CDC documents (or, indeed, any CDC documents at all). That would
remain true even if you could find videos that were absolutely
impeccable.

Odd John just doesn't get it.

You'll explain it to him at least one more time, and he'll not get it
then either.

Finally, you'll just ignore him.

Odd John just doesn't have any evidence for his claims. He's the
empty barrel that's struck with a stick for noise pollution,
masquerading as drum beat.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!
Vaccination - What the CDC Documents and Science Reveal, 2003, in a
one hour 47 minutes long detailed presentation of the anti-vaccination
evidence by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny.
http://tinyurl.com/kk5hwjf
It is called video.  This is the New Millennium, after all. There is
NOT a damn thing wrong with using video to communicate to the public.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny has dozens of shorter videos around the Internet
on essentially the same subject.

The issue is not the medium itself, but the fact that there's no reason
to trust the person who made the video. But this all comes back to your
claim that there were CDC documents showing that vaccines don't work.
You have consistently failed to identify any such CDC documents (or,
indeed, any CDC documents at all). That would remain true even if you
could find videos that were absolutely impeccable.
Sylvia.

Odd Sylvia and her Trolls, just don't get it? Not really, in fact, I
would have expect expected reality to bounce off their skulls. After
all, Science Psychos are the slime of the earth for a reason.

I would trust Dr. Tenpenny, far more that I could throw either you or
your ilk.

In fact, I think that I will write another fantastic article based
upon the info contained in this video along with a few CDC references.

Anybody who thinks that the CDC is going to have an article where they
freely admit that they are NOTHING but criminals conspiring to commit
consumer fraud is mad as a hatter. The info is on the CDC site, YOU
simply would have to hunt and pick for the information over dozens of
references, which is exactly the point.

The Science Psychos do nothing but lie through their teeth. :(

[Sylvia Else]

Post by John H. Gohde
along with a few CDC references.

That would be more CDC references that you've provided so far.

Sylvia.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
along with a few CDC references.

That would be more CDC references that you've provided so far.
Sylvia.

Hello scientific imbecile ...

[Bob Officer]

On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:47 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

Odd john is a pseudo-luddite. He doesn't understand much of the world
and isn't worthy of the time it takes to read his nonsense. He is the
typical of the idiot which would slice off his own nose to spite his
face. That really funny because of a shrink looked at the bulk of odd
john's usenet and blog posting they might lean towards a diagnosis of
a narcissistic personality.

[Bob Casanova]

On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:38:25 -0700, the following appeared

Post by Bob Officer
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:47 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

Odd john is a pseudo-luddite. He doesn't understand much of the world
and isn't worthy of the time it takes to read his nonsense. He is the
typical of the idiot which would slice off his own nose to spite his
face. That really funny because of a shrink looked at the bulk of odd
john's usenet and blog posting they might lean towards a diagnosis of
a narcissistic personality.

He replied with the information that he's medically
incompetent and proud of it. So Luddite it is...

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:38:25 -0700, the following appeared

Post by Bob Officer
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:47 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

Odd john is a pseudo-luddite. He doesn't understand much of the world
and isn't worthy of the time it takes to read his nonsense. He is the
typical of the idiot which would slice off his own nose to spite his
face. That really funny because of a shrink looked at the bulk of odd
john's usenet and blog posting they might lean towards a diagnosis of
a narcissistic personality.

He replied with the information that he's medically
incompetent and proud of it. So Luddite it is...

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

[Bob Casanova]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 04:30:44 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:38:25 -0700, the following appeared

Post by Bob Officer
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:47 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

Odd john is a pseudo-luddite. He doesn't understand much of the world
and isn't worthy of the time it takes to read his nonsense. He is the
typical of the idiot which would slice off his own nose to spite his
face. That really funny because of a shrink looked at the bulk of odd
john's usenet and blog posting they might lean towards a diagnosis of
a narcissistic personality.

He replied with the information that he's medically
incompetent and proud of it. So Luddite it is...

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

We've already been alerted to your idiotic antics, but
thanks anyway.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 04:30:44 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:38:25 -0700, the following appeared

Post by Bob Officer
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:47 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

Odd john is a pseudo-luddite. He doesn't understand much of the world
and isn't worthy of the time it takes to read his nonsense. He is the
typical of the idiot which would slice off his own nose to spite his
face. That really funny because of a shrink looked at the bulk of odd
john's usenet and blog posting they might lean towards a diagnosis of
a narcissistic personality.

He replied with the information that he's medically
incompetent and proud of it. So Luddite it is...

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

We've already been alerted to your idiotic antics, but
thanks anyway.
--
Bob C.

It is called video, Bob. You know, whore the pictures actually move,
and talk.

NOT a damn thing wrong with a 2 hour long YouTube video, unless of
course you are a Dated Fossil suffering from earlier onset age-related
dementia.

NOT to mention the fact that NOT everybody can even upload a video
that is longer than 10 or 15 minutes on YouTube. Of course, Fossils
like you wouldn't even be aware the little details. Heck, if Bob got
ran over by a Mack Truck, I would rather doubt that he would even be
aware of what just happen to him.

Sorry, but my time is way too valuable to be wasting it on a living
Netherlander Fossil.

I have fully embraced the New Millennium, unlike Bob.

YOUR kind has my condolences.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 04:30:44 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:38:25 -0700, the following appeared

Post by Bob Officer
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:47 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

Odd john is a pseudo-luddite. He doesn't understand much of the world
and isn't worthy of the time it takes to read his nonsense. He is the
typical of the idiot which would slice off his own nose to spite his
face. That really funny because of a shrink looked at the bulk of odd
john's usenet and blog posting they might lean towards a diagnosis of
a narcissistic personality.

He replied with the information that he's medically
incompetent and proud of it. So Luddite it is...

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

We've already been alerted to your idiotic antics, but
thanks anyway.
--
Bob C.

It is called video, Bob.  You know, whore the pictures actually move,
and talk.
NOT a damn thing wrong with a 2 hour long YouTube video, unless of
course you are a Dated Fossil suffering from earlier onset age-related
dementia.
NOT to mention the fact that NOT everybody can even upload a video
that is longer than 10 or 15 minutes on YouTube.  Of course, Fossils
like you wouldn't even be aware the little details.  Heck, if Bob got
ran over by a Mack Truck, I would rather doubt that he would even be
aware of what just happen to him.
Sorry, but my time is way too valuable to be wasting it on a living
Netherlander Fossil.
I have fully embraced the New Millennium, unlike Bob.
YOUR kind has my condolences.

[Bob Casanova]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 13:17:56 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Bob Casanova
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 04:30:44 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:38:25 -0700, the following appeared

Post by Bob Officer
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:47 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

Odd john is a pseudo-luddite. He doesn't understand much of the world
and isn't worthy of the time it takes to read his nonsense. He is the
typical of the idiot which would slice off his own nose to spite his
face. That really funny because of a shrink looked at the bulk of odd
john's usenet and blog posting they might lean towards a diagnosis of
a narcissistic personality.

He replied with the information that he's medically
incompetent and proud of it. So Luddite it is...

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

We've already been alerted to your idiotic antics, but
thanks anyway.

It is called video, Bob.

No, it (your assertion) is called uncritical acceptance of
manufactured testimony which agrees with your prejudices,
and which is refuted by real-world data.

For an example of the reason video clips aren't valid as
evidence without additional support, see...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4146234873383&set=vb.1809138075&type=2&theater

...along with any "Elvis on Mars" clips you might happen to
run across.

HTH.

[BruceS]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 13:17:56 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Bob Casanova
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 04:30:44 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:38:25 -0700, the following appeared

Post by Bob Officer
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:47 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

Odd john is a pseudo-luddite. He doesn't understand much of the world
and isn't worthy of the time it takes to read his nonsense. He is the
typical of the idiot which would slice off his own nose to spite his
face. That really funny because of a shrink looked at the bulk of odd
john's usenet and blog posting they might lean towards a diagnosis of
a narcissistic personality.

He replied with the information that he's medically
incompetent and proud of it. So Luddite it is...

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

We've already been alerted to your idiotic antics, but
thanks anyway.

It is called video, Bob.

No, it (your assertion) is called uncritical acceptance of
manufactured testimony which agrees with your prejudices,
and which is refuted by real-world data.
For an example of the reason video clips aren't valid as
evidence without additional support, see...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4146234873383&set=vb.1809138075&type=2&theater
...along with any "Elvis on Mars" clips you might happen to
run across.
HTH.

Never mind all that nonsense, check out
http://www.theonion.com/video/gay-scouts-forced-to-wear-special-merit-badge,32578/
for some serious evidence. This isn't some Johnny-come-lately facebook
or youtube crap, this is from the only video news source with 230 years
of experience behind it. These guys take real facts from reliable
sources, and present something completely different. Facebook...pffft.
(warning: this video contains brief nudity)

[Bob Officer]

On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 10:30:15 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 13:17:56 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Bob Casanova
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 04:30:44 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:38:25 -0700, the following appeared

Post by Bob Officer
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:47 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "John H. Gohde"

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Dan
The aim of the campaign was to raise vaccination rates and protect
children from preventable diseases.

Total Bull!
Tell moi another tall tale.

What exactly do you consider to be "Total Bull"? Are you a
doctor? A medical researcher? An epidemiologist? What are
your qualifications for proclaiming a vaccination program to
be a "tall tale"? The reading of Internet hype spewed by
Luddite idiots, perhaps?

Odd john is a pseudo-luddite. He doesn't understand much of the world
and isn't worthy of the time it takes to read his nonsense. He is the
typical of the idiot which would slice off his own nose to spite his
face. That really funny because of a shrink looked at the bulk of odd
john's usenet and blog posting they might lean towards a diagnosis of
a narcissistic personality.

He replied with the information that he's medically
incompetent and proud of it. So Luddite it is...

Disinformation Vaccine Alarmists Alert!

We've already been alerted to your idiotic antics, but
thanks anyway.

It is called video, Bob.

No, it (your assertion) is called uncritical acceptance of
manufactured testimony which agrees with your prejudices,
and which is refuted by real-world data.
For an example of the reason video clips aren't valid as
evidence without additional support, see...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4146234873383&set=vb.1809138075&type=2&theater

and remember it is a video, which automatically makes it true, for
odd john.

Post by Bob Casanova
...along with any "Elvis on Mars" clips you might happen to
run across.
HTH.

[John H. Gohde]

Watching a 2 hour long video is NOT necessary at all.

I was able to put the important concepts into just a few hundred
words.

http://tinyurl.com/mmdmaep

Unfortunately, the sole YouTube video that nailed the topic, in just a
few minutes, barred their vid from being embedded in HTML coding. So
here it is.

http://tinyurl.com/kl2lozm

[george152]

Post by John H. Gohde
Watching a 2 hour long video is NOT necessary at all.
I was able to put the important concepts into just a few hundred
words.

I can do even better...
It's crap

[John H. Gohde]

On 07/06/13 01:18, John H. Gohde wrote:> Watching a 2 hour long video is NOT necessary at all.

Post by John H. Gohde
I was able to put the important concepts into just a few hundred
words.

  I can do even better...
It's crap

ROFLOL!

ONLY an imbeciles, like george152, would still be advocating in the
year 2013 what was disproved back in 1942.

Now, george152 is what I would call pathetic. And, I don't mind
saying so. :)

[Sylvia Else]

Post by John H. Gohde
Watching a 2 hour long video is NOT necessary at all.
I was able to put the important concepts into just a few hundred
words.
http://tinyurl.com/mmdmaep

Quotes:

"The administration of an immunobiologic [i.e., vaccine] cannot be
automatically equated with the development of adequate immunity." [CDC
1994, page vi]

Which is a nice example of reading between the lines, but failing to
read the lines themselves.

The statement is actually just making the well known point that vaccines
are not 100% effective. But that's not the same as saying they don't
work. I take paracetamol (which is acetaminophen for the yanks) for
chronic headaches. Sometimes the headache persists despite the drug.
Does this mean that the drug does not work? Have I thrown it out and
complained to everyone who'll listen about the worthlessness of the
drug? Of course not. It always provides some degree of relief, and often
it's entirely effective.

Sylvia

[Bob Officer]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 10:20:40 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
Watching a 2 hour long video is NOT necessary at all.
I was able to put the important concepts into just a few hundred
words.
http://tinyurl.com/mmdmaep

"The administration of an immunobiologic [i.e., vaccine] cannot be
automatically equated with the development of adequate immunity." [CDC
1994, page vi]
Which is a nice example of reading between the lines, but failing to
read the lines themselves.
The statement is actually just making the well known point that vaccines
are not 100% effective. But that's not the same as saying they don't
work. I take paracetamol (which is acetaminophen for the yanks) for
chronic headaches. Sometimes the headache persists despite the drug.
Does this mean that the drug does not work? Have I thrown it out and
complained to everyone who'll listen about the worthlessness of the
drug? Of course not. It always provides some degree of relief, and often
it's entirely effective.
Sylvia

However the use of the vaccine increases the heard immunity. The
overall result is less vectors for the disease to spread. This factor
is called heard immunity. The only other alternative is for people
that travel outside of small isolated groups be place in quarantine.
Since this is impossible to achieve, and still might not work as
desired, the vaccine's are our best bet for the health of the
community as a whole.

I like you analogy here. While the medication you take may not be
100% effective all the time, even a 10% effective rate: 10% of the
time is better than 0% from doing nothing. Remember the other 90% of
the time it its effective rate is better that 10% and is better doing
nothing at all.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Bob Officer
On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 10:20:40 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
Watching a 2 hour long video is NOT necessary at all.
I was able to put the important concepts into just a few hundred
words.
http://tinyurl.com/mmdmaep

"The administration of an immunobiologic [i.e., vaccine] cannot be
automatically equated with the development of adequate immunity." [CDC
1994, page vi]
Which is a nice example of reading between the lines, but failing to
read the lines themselves.
The statement is actually just making the well known point that vaccines
are not 100% effective. But that's not the same as saying they don't
work. I take paracetamol (which is acetaminophen for the yanks) for
chronic headaches. Sometimes the headache persists despite the drug.
Does this mean that the drug does not work? Have I thrown it out and
complained to everyone who'll listen about the worthlessness of the
drug? Of course not. It always provides some degree of relief, and often
it's entirely effective.
Sylvia

However the use of the vaccine increases the heard immunity. The
overall result is less vectors for the disease to spread. This factor
is called heard immunity. The only other alternative is for people
that travel outside of small isolated groups be place in quarantine.
Since this is impossible to achieve, and still might not work as
desired, the vaccine's are our best bet for the health of the
community as a whole.
I like you analogy here. While the medication you take may not be
100% effective all the time, even a 10% effective rate: 10% of the
time  is better than 0% from doing nothing. Remember the other 90% of
the time it its effective rate is better that 10% and is better doing
nothing at all.
--
Bob Officer

Bob Officer admits to being superstitious.

More news at 11 o'clock ...

[Test]

Actually, I completely disagree!

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Test
Actually, I completely disagree!

Hello, one shot wonder.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
Watching a 2 hour long video is NOT necessary at all.
I was able to put the important concepts into just a few hundred
words.
http://tinyurl.com/mmdmaep

"The administration of an immunobiologic [i.e., vaccine] cannot be
automatically equated with the development of adequate immunity." [CDC
1994, page vi]
Which is a nice example of reading between the lines, but failing to
read the lines themselves.
The statement is actually just making the well known point that vaccines
are not 100% effective. But that's not the same as saying they don't
work. I take paracetamol (which is acetaminophen for the yanks) for
chronic headaches. Sometimes the headache persists despite the drug.
Does this mean that the drug does not work? Have I thrown it out and
complained to everyone who'll listen about the worthlessness of the
drug? Of course not. It always provides some degree of relief, and often
it's entirely effective.
Sylvia

ROFLOL

I take BC powder because it is 100% effective. Either you believe in
science, or you do NOT. Aspirin works. It is just amounts to using
the correct delivery system. :)

http://tinyurl.com/k8ffqdv

When I want BC to work some more, I take a second one. The stuff
works all the time.

According to you, when it comes to vaccines they have bad days.
Sometimes a vaccine will protect you, and sometimes it wont. YES,
Sylia apparently belives that vaccines are moody. Sounds like the
classical example of a superstitious person to moi.

In my book, either the crap will protect you or it wont. From what I
have seen, vaccines don't work for all too many different reasons.

You are nothing but a scientific imbecile. And, I do NOT mind saying
so.

It has takes a while to wrap my head around vaccination, but I am
getting there. I will be adding a conclusion to my article.

[Sylvia Else]

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
Watching a 2 hour long video is NOT necessary at all.
I was able to put the important concepts into just a few hundred
words.
http://tinyurl.com/mmdmaep

"The administration of an immunobiologic [i.e., vaccine] cannot be
automatically equated with the development of adequate immunity." [CDC
1994, page vi]
Which is a nice example of reading between the lines, but failing to
read the lines themselves.
The statement is actually just making the well known point that vaccines
are not 100% effective. But that's not the same as saying they don't
work. I take paracetamol (which is acetaminophen for the yanks) for
chronic headaches. Sometimes the headache persists despite the drug.
Does this mean that the drug does not work? Have I thrown it out and
complained to everyone who'll listen about the worthlessness of the
drug? Of course not. It always provides some degree of relief, and often
it's entirely effective.
Sylvia

ROFLOL
I take BC powder because it is 100% effective. Either you believe in
science, or you do NOT. Aspirin works. It is just amounts to using
the correct delivery system. :)
http://tinyurl.com/k8ffqdv
When I want BC to work some more, I take a second one. The stuff
works all the time.
According to you, when it comes to vaccines they have bad days.
Sometimes a vaccine will protect you, and sometimes it wont. YES,
Sylia apparently belives that vaccines are moody. Sounds like the
classical example of a superstitious person to moi.

Did you have to look up "strawman argument" before you put that together?

Clearly the paracetamol analogy isn't exact - the variation seen with
vaccines is not on a particular person from day to day, since people
don't receive the same vaccine over and over again[*]. Instead, the
variation is from person to person.

Post by John H. Gohde
In my book, either the crap will protect you or it wont.

Why would you think that a complex process could be reduced to a simple
dichotomy?

Post by John H. Gohde
From what I
have seen, vaccines don't work for all too many different reasons.

And when none of the reasons apply, in a particular individual, they do
work. The overall success rate varies from vaccine to vaccine (and
probably from population to population). Still, if you're offered food,
but it's not sufficient to satisfy your hunger, would you refuse it?

Sylvia.

[*] The observation that some vaccines are given a few times will be
ignored.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
Watching a 2 hour long video is NOT necessary at all.
I was able to put the important concepts into just a few hundred
words.
http://tinyurl.com/mmdmaep

"The administration of an immunobiologic [i.e., vaccine] cannot be
automatically equated with the development of adequate immunity." [CDC
1994, page vi]
Which is a nice example of reading between the lines, but failing to
read the lines themselves.
The statement is actually just making the well known point that vaccines
are not 100% effective. But that's not the same as saying they don't
work. I take paracetamol (which is acetaminophen for the yanks) for
chronic headaches. Sometimes the headache persists despite the drug.
Does this mean that the drug does not work? Have I thrown it out and
complained to everyone who'll listen about the worthlessness of the
drug? Of course not. It always provides some degree of relief, and often
it's entirely effective.
Sylvia

ROFLOL
I take BC powder because it is 100% effective.  Either you believe in
science, or you do NOT.   Aspirin works.  It is just amounts to using
the correct delivery system.  :)
http://tinyurl.com/k8ffqdv
When I want BC to work some more, I  take a second one. The stuff
works all the time.
According to you, when it comes to vaccines they have bad days.
Sometimes a vaccine will protect you, and sometimes it wont.  YES,
Sylia apparently belives that vaccines are moody.  Sounds like the
classical example of a superstitious person to moi.

Did you have to look up "strawman argument" before you put that together?
Clearly the paracetamol analogy isn't exact - the variation seen with
vaccines is not on a particular person from day to day, since people
don't receive the same vaccine over and over again[*]. Instead, the
variation is from person to person.

Post by John H. Gohde
In my book, either the crap will protect you or it wont.

Why would you think that a complex process could be reduced to a simple
dichotomy?

Post by John H. Gohde
From what I
have seen, vaccines don't work for all too many different reasons.

And when none of the reasons apply, in a particular individual, they do
work. The overall success rate varies from vaccine to vaccine (and
probably from population to population). Still, if you're offered food,
but it's not sufficient to satisfy your hunger, would you refuse it?
Sylvia.
[*] The observation that some vaccines are given a few times will be
ignored.

ROFLOL

I just updated my article. :)

It is still not quite right, but I have and will be adding more stuff
on your very point as well immunocompromised individuals.

I am still warming up for my forthcoming conclusion section.

[Sylvia Else]

Post by John H. Gohde
I am still warming up for my forthcoming conclusion section.

Which will be that

a) you use ROFLOL much too often and,

b) you've been completely wrong about everything else.

Sylvia.

[John H. Gohde]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by John H. Gohde
I am still warming up for my forthcoming conclusion section.

Which will be that
a) you use ROFLOL much too often and,
b) you've been completely wrong about everything else.
Sylvia.

That is nice.

I managed to locate a suitable YouTube video. :)

It is a 15 minute vid from Dr. Tenpenny, with the most important info
given up front. As people give up on the video, it is no big loss.

[John H. Gohde]

There is nothing wrong with your computer monitor. Do not attempt to
adjust the screen. I am controlling transmission. I can change the
focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next
few minutes, sit quietly and try to focus on all that you can see and
hear. Repeat to yourself: I am no longer in the land of the Science
Psychos. Tell yourself: There is nothing wrong with my monitor. The
problem is NOT in my mind, but in that dumb primary preventive service
called vaccination.

http://tinyurl.com/mmdmaep

P.S.: That picture at the top of the article is way to big. It is
that way because of a Facebook bug. I am in control. The size of
that picture will be reduced in half, some time tomorrow. Why?
Because moi is ALWAYS in in control.

[BruceS]

Post by John H. Gohde
There is nothing wrong with your computer monitor. Do not attempt to
adjust the screen. I am controlling transmission. I can change the
focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next
few minutes, sit quietly and try to focus on all that you can see and
hear. Repeat to yourself: I am no longer in the land of the Science
Psychos. Tell yourself: There is nothing wrong with my monitor. The
problem is NOT in my mind, but in that dumb primary preventive service
called vaccination.
http://tinyurl.com/mmdmaep
P.S.: That picture at the top of the article is way to big. It is
that way because of a Facebook bug. I am in control. The size of
that picture will be reduced in half, some time tomorrow. Why?
Because moi is ALWAYS in in control.

I've had a double whiskey and a jumbo margarita (ap. 16oz), so you make
a lot more sense than usual. Still a raving bat-shit crazy loon with
severe mental deficiencies, but much better than usual. I wonder, if I
finished off a fifth of booze, and smoked an ounce of that
no-longer-just-for-medical-purposes Colorado weed, would you start to
sound like you aren't a moronic psychopath? Idk, not worth the risk.