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Dan
2013-07-14 22:27:42 UTC
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Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers

By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00

CLAIMS made on the Society of Homeopaths website that controversial
therapies could treat conditions such as arthritis and hayfever have
been banned in a landmark ruling by advertising watchdogs.

The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has had a remit since 2011 to
investigate claims made online, and the organisation said it had a large
number of complaints relating to claims on homeopathy websites.

It chose to investigate the website of industry body the Society of
Homeopaths as a test case ?to establish our lead position on claims for
homeopathy?.

The authority also looked at the body?s Twitter page, which included the
tweet: ?Antidepressant prescriptions up by 43 per cent. For more
holistic healthcare which doesn?t rely on drugs try #homeopathy?, with a
link to the home page.

The ASA found that all of the claims investigated were misleading and
breached guidelines on health advertising.

The society?s homepage states: ?There is a growing body of research
evidence suggesting that treatment by a homeopath is clinically
effective, cost-effective and safe.

?Currently, there is sufficient research evidence to support the use of
homeopathic treatment for the following medical conditions: allergies
and upper respiratory tract infections, ankle sprain, bronchitis,
childhood diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, ear infections, fibromyalgia, hay-
fever, influenza, osteoarthritis, premenstrual syndrome, rheumatic
diseases, sinusitis, vertigo.

?Your local homeopath would be happy to discuss any health problems with
you and offer advice about whether they might be able to help.?

The ASA asked whether the site could discourage essential treatment for
conditions for which medical supervision should be sought, and whether
the claims that homeopathy could treat the medical conditions could be
substantiated.

In relation to the tweet, it investigated whether it could discourage
essential treatment for depression, a medical condition for which
medical supervision should be sought, and misleadingly implied that
homeopathic remedies could alleviate symptoms of depression.

The Society of Homeopaths said it did not believe there was anything on
the web page in question, or their website as a whole, which discouraged
patients from seeking medical treatment.

Its site recommended maintaining a relationship with a GP or specialist
and said homepathy could be used ?alongside conventional medicine?, it
pointed out.

But the ASA found that the claims were in breach of advertising rules.

A spokesman said: ?We considered that the reference to these specific
medical conditions meant the ad was targeted at consumers with a pre-
existing diagnosis of these conditions or who were suffering from those
symptoms.

?We considered the average consumer targeted by the ad was therefore
particularly vulnerable.?

All medical claims ?must be backed by evidence?, he said.
Bob Officer
2013-07-15 02:06:56 UTC
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Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers
By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00
CLAIMS made on the Society of Homeopaths website that controversial
therapies could treat conditions such as arthritis and hayfever have
been banned in a landmark ruling by advertising watchdogs.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has had a remit since 2011 to
investigate claims made online, and the organisation said it had a large
number of complaints relating to claims on homeopathy websites.
It chose to investigate the website of industry body the Society of
Homeopaths as a test case ?to establish our lead position on claims for
homeopathy?.
The authority also looked at the body?s Twitter page, which included the
tweet: ?Antidepressant prescriptions up by 43 per cent. For more
holistic healthcare which doesn?t rely on drugs try #homeopathy?, with a
link to the home page.
The ASA found that all of the claims investigated were misleading and
breached guidelines on health advertising.
The society?s homepage states: ?There is a growing body of research
evidence suggesting that treatment by a homeopath is clinically
effective, cost-effective and safe.
?Currently, there is sufficient research evidence to support the use of
homeopathic treatment for the following medical conditions: allergies
and upper respiratory tract infections, ankle sprain, bronchitis,
childhood diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, ear infections, fibromyalgia, hay-
fever, influenza, osteoarthritis, premenstrual syndrome, rheumatic
diseases, sinusitis, vertigo.
?Your local homeopath would be happy to discuss any health problems with
you and offer advice about whether they might be able to help.?
The ASA asked whether the site could discourage essential treatment for
conditions for which medical supervision should be sought, and whether
the claims that homeopathy could treat the medical conditions could be
substantiated.
In relation to the tweet, it investigated whether it could discourage
essential treatment for depression, a medical condition for which
medical supervision should be sought, and misleadingly implied that
homeopathic remedies could alleviate symptoms of depression.
The Society of Homeopaths said it did not believe there was anything on
the web page in question, or their website as a whole, which discouraged
patients from seeking medical treatment.
Its site recommended maintaining a relationship with a GP or specialist
and said homepathy could be used ?alongside conventional medicine?, it
pointed out.
But the ASA found that the claims were in breach of advertising rules.
A spokesman said: ?We considered that the reference to these specific
medical conditions meant the ad was targeted at consumers with a pre-
existing diagnosis of these conditions or who were suffering from those
symptoms.
?We considered the average consumer targeted by the ad was therefore
particularly vulnerable.?
All medical claims ?must be backed by evidence?, he said.
and then there is this authoritative web site:

http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/


We need to promote it so it will be the top of google's search
engine. <SEG>
--
Bob Officer
"There must be some limit to the thing. It cannot go on to infinity"
"Es muss ein Ende geben, es kann nicht bis ins Unendliche weitergehen"
Samuel Hahnemann to Dr Schreter, Sept 13th 1829. Writing about dilutions
of Homeopathic Dilutions.
BruceS
2013-07-15 22:58:57 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:27:42 +0800, in misc.health.alternative, Dan
Post by Dan
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Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers
By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00
CLAIMS made on the Society of Homeopaths website that controversial
therapies could treat conditions such as arthritis and hayfever have
been banned in a landmark ruling by advertising watchdogs.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has had a remit since 2011 to
investigate claims made online, and the organisation said it had a large
number of complaints relating to claims on homeopathy websites.
It chose to investigate the website of industry body the Society of
Homeopaths as a test case ?to establish our lead position on claims for
homeopathy?.
The authority also looked at the body?s Twitter page, which included the
tweet: ?Antidepressant prescriptions up by 43 per cent. For more
holistic healthcare which doesn?t rely on drugs try #homeopathy?, with a
link to the home page.
The ASA found that all of the claims investigated were misleading and
breached guidelines on health advertising.
The society?s homepage states: ?There is a growing body of research
evidence suggesting that treatment by a homeopath is clinically
effective, cost-effective and safe.
?Currently, there is sufficient research evidence to support the use of
homeopathic treatment for the following medical conditions: allergies
and upper respiratory tract infections, ankle sprain, bronchitis,
childhood diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, ear infections, fibromyalgia, hay-
fever, influenza, osteoarthritis, premenstrual syndrome, rheumatic
diseases, sinusitis, vertigo.
?Your local homeopath would be happy to discuss any health problems with
you and offer advice about whether they might be able to help.?
The ASA asked whether the site could discourage essential treatment for
conditions for which medical supervision should be sought, and whether
the claims that homeopathy could treat the medical conditions could be
substantiated.
In relation to the tweet, it investigated whether it could discourage
essential treatment for depression, a medical condition for which
medical supervision should be sought, and misleadingly implied that
homeopathic remedies could alleviate symptoms of depression.
The Society of Homeopaths said it did not believe there was anything on
the web page in question, or their website as a whole, which discouraged
patients from seeking medical treatment.
Its site recommended maintaining a relationship with a GP or specialist
and said homepathy could be used ?alongside conventional medicine?, it
pointed out.
But the ASA found that the claims were in breach of advertising rules.
A spokesman said: ?We considered that the reference to these specific
medical conditions meant the ad was targeted at consumers with a pre-
existing diagnosis of these conditions or who were suffering from those
symptoms.
?We considered the average consumer targeted by the ad was therefore
particularly vulnerable.?
All medical claims ?must be backed by evidence?, he said.
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
We need to promote it so it will be the top of google's search
engine. <SEG>
As amusing as that page is, I think it would be more productive to
explain how homeopathy is *claimed* to work. A lot of people still buy
homeopathic products, expecting them to be useful, at least partly
because they're sold next to medicines in drug stores. I've explained
to several people the principles behind homeopathy, and they went from
casual acceptance of it to outraged hilarity. Homeopathy is like a
cockroach---shine a bit of light on it and it scurries away to hide.

For those who *haven't* heard the theory, I suggest doing a bit of
searching. I'd explain it, but I could be considered as biased, as I
don't believe in magic of any kind.
Bob Officer
2013-07-16 00:24:31 UTC
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Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
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Post by Dan
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Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers
By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00
CLAIMS made on the Society of Homeopaths website that controversial
therapies could treat conditions such as arthritis and hayfever have
been banned in a landmark ruling by advertising watchdogs.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has had a remit since 2011 to
investigate claims made online, and the organisation said it had a large
number of complaints relating to claims on homeopathy websites.
It chose to investigate the website of industry body the Society of
Homeopaths as a test case ?to establish our lead position on claims for
homeopathy?.
The authority also looked at the body?s Twitter page, which included the
tweet: ?Antidepressant prescriptions up by 43 per cent. For more
holistic healthcare which doesn?t rely on drugs try #homeopathy?, with a
link to the home page.
The ASA found that all of the claims investigated were misleading and
breached guidelines on health advertising.
The society?s homepage states: ?There is a growing body of research
evidence suggesting that treatment by a homeopath is clinically
effective, cost-effective and safe.
?Currently, there is sufficient research evidence to support the use of
homeopathic treatment for the following medical conditions: allergies
and upper respiratory tract infections, ankle sprain, bronchitis,
childhood diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, ear infections, fibromyalgia, hay-
fever, influenza, osteoarthritis, premenstrual syndrome, rheumatic
diseases, sinusitis, vertigo.
?Your local homeopath would be happy to discuss any health problems with
you and offer advice about whether they might be able to help.?
The ASA asked whether the site could discourage essential treatment for
conditions for which medical supervision should be sought, and whether
the claims that homeopathy could treat the medical conditions could be
substantiated.
In relation to the tweet, it investigated whether it could discourage
essential treatment for depression, a medical condition for which
medical supervision should be sought, and misleadingly implied that
homeopathic remedies could alleviate symptoms of depression.
The Society of Homeopaths said it did not believe there was anything on
the web page in question, or their website as a whole, which discouraged
patients from seeking medical treatment.
Its site recommended maintaining a relationship with a GP or specialist
and said homepathy could be used ?alongside conventional medicine?, it
pointed out.
But the ASA found that the claims were in breach of advertising rules.
A spokesman said: ?We considered that the reference to these specific
medical conditions meant the ad was targeted at consumers with a pre-
existing diagnosis of these conditions or who were suffering from those
symptoms.
?We considered the average consumer targeted by the ad was therefore
particularly vulnerable.?
All medical claims ?must be backed by evidence?, he said.
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
We need to promote it so it will be the top of google's search
engine. <SEG>
As amusing as that page is, I think it would be more productive to
explain how homeopathy is *claimed* to work. A lot of people still buy
homeopathic products, expecting them to be useful, at least partly
because they're sold next to medicines in drug stores. I've explained
to several people the principles behind homeopathy, and they went from
casual acceptance of it to outraged hilarity. Homeopathy is like a
cockroach---shine a bit of light on it and it scurries away to hide.
For those who *haven't* heard the theory, I suggest doing a bit of
searching. I'd explain it, but I could be considered as biased, as I
don't believe in magic of any kind.
I have offered to show them how silly homeopathy is. The principle of
something being more dilute and yet more powerful, is not seen
anyplace in nature.

We do not dilute gasoline to make it more powerful.
Alcohol, when more dilute will not make you drunker faster. (maybe
there is a market for 100C 50 year old scotch <grin> Maybe selling it
a 50 dollars for 750ml?)

For the claim of "vibrational medicine", we demand a description and
a possible why to detect these so called "vibrations" before the
medicine is allow to be distributed. This idea should also work for
those scammers which sell various healing xtals.

As far as the water having memory, That should be required to be
demonstrated and shown to be true. Then there is the question of how
the memory can be transferred to the sugar pille after the water
evaporates.

Then all these clown will have to figure out that Hahnemann himself
was doubting his concept when he stated there has to be an end of the
dilutions.
--
Bob Officer
"There must be some limit to the thing. It cannot go on to infinity"
"Es muss ein Ende geben, es kann nicht bis ins Unendliche weitergehen"
Samuel Hahnemann to Dr Schreter, Sept 13th 1829. Writing about dilutions
of Homeopathic Dilutions.
BruceS
2013-07-16 13:31:37 UTC
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:58:57 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:27:42 +0800, in misc.health.alternative, Dan
Post by Dan
http://skep.li/1bdYZM0
Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers
By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00
CLAIMS made on the Society of Homeopaths website that controversial
therapies could treat conditions such as arthritis and hayfever have
been banned in a landmark ruling by advertising watchdogs.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has had a remit since 2011 to
investigate claims made online, and the organisation said it had a large
number of complaints relating to claims on homeopathy websites.
It chose to investigate the website of industry body the Society of
Homeopaths as a test case ?to establish our lead position on claims for
homeopathy?.
The authority also looked at the body?s Twitter page, which included the
tweet: ?Antidepressant prescriptions up by 43 per cent. For more
holistic healthcare which doesn?t rely on drugs try #homeopathy?, with a
link to the home page.
The ASA found that all of the claims investigated were misleading and
breached guidelines on health advertising.
The society?s homepage states: ?There is a growing body of research
evidence suggesting that treatment by a homeopath is clinically
effective, cost-effective and safe.
?Currently, there is sufficient research evidence to support the use of
homeopathic treatment for the following medical conditions: allergies
and upper respiratory tract infections, ankle sprain, bronchitis,
childhood diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, ear infections, fibromyalgia, hay-
fever, influenza, osteoarthritis, premenstrual syndrome, rheumatic
diseases, sinusitis, vertigo.
?Your local homeopath would be happy to discuss any health problems with
you and offer advice about whether they might be able to help.?
The ASA asked whether the site could discourage essential treatment for
conditions for which medical supervision should be sought, and whether
the claims that homeopathy could treat the medical conditions could be
substantiated.
In relation to the tweet, it investigated whether it could discourage
essential treatment for depression, a medical condition for which
medical supervision should be sought, and misleadingly implied that
homeopathic remedies could alleviate symptoms of depression.
The Society of Homeopaths said it did not believe there was anything on
the web page in question, or their website as a whole, which discouraged
patients from seeking medical treatment.
Its site recommended maintaining a relationship with a GP or specialist
and said homepathy could be used ?alongside conventional medicine?, it
pointed out.
But the ASA found that the claims were in breach of advertising rules.
A spokesman said: ?We considered that the reference to these specific
medical conditions meant the ad was targeted at consumers with a pre-
existing diagnosis of these conditions or who were suffering from those
symptoms.
?We considered the average consumer targeted by the ad was therefore
particularly vulnerable.?
All medical claims ?must be backed by evidence?, he said.
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
We need to promote it so it will be the top of google's search
engine. <SEG>
As amusing as that page is, I think it would be more productive to
explain how homeopathy is *claimed* to work. A lot of people still buy
homeopathic products, expecting them to be useful, at least partly
because they're sold next to medicines in drug stores. I've explained
to several people the principles behind homeopathy, and they went from
casual acceptance of it to outraged hilarity. Homeopathy is like a
cockroach---shine a bit of light on it and it scurries away to hide.
For those who *haven't* heard the theory, I suggest doing a bit of
searching. I'd explain it, but I could be considered as biased, as I
don't believe in magic of any kind.
I have offered to show them how silly homeopathy is. The principle of
something being more dilute and yet more powerful, is not seen
anyplace in nature.
We do not dilute gasoline to make it more powerful.
Alcohol, when more dilute will not make you drunker faster. (maybe
there is a market for 100C 50 year old scotch <grin> Maybe selling it
a 50 dollars for 750ml?)
There's plenty of market for aged Scotch, but once you start the 100C
process, nobody wants it. I don't even add a splash (don't buy that
"opens it up" bit), but even those who do want *some* whisky with their
water!
Post by Bob Officer
For the claim of "vibrational medicine", we demand a description and
a possible why to detect these so called "vibrations" before the
medicine is allow to be distributed. This idea should also work for
those scammers which sell various healing xtals.
As far as the water having memory, That should be required to be
demonstrated and shown to be true. Then there is the question of how
the memory can be transferred to the sugar pille after the water
evaporates.
Then all these clown will have to figure out that Hahnemann himself
was doubting his concept when he stated there has to be an end of the
dilutions.
It's funny when the disciples have more faith than their messiah. I've
challenged disciples of homeopathy before, with no rational response.
Instead of continuing to buy one of these remedies, why not simply take
a single purchase of the product, dilute it 1:100 a few times in a row
(with the required magical shaking at each stage), and provide the
entire world with a permanent supply at nearly no cost? Real medicine
costs money because it requires real ingredients (plus the whole issue
of having to recoup all research cost in a short time), but there's no
such limitation on homeopathy. The less ingredients you use, the more
powerful it is, until a remedy with no ingredients at all is extremely
powerful. OK. So provide it all for free. Too bad no real products
work that way.
george152
2013-07-16 20:21:32 UTC
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Post by BruceS
It's funny when the disciples have more faith than their messiah. I've
challenged disciples of homeopathy before, with no rational response.
Instead of continuing to buy one of these remedies, why not simply take
a single purchase of the product, dilute it 1:100 a few times in a row
(with the required magical shaking at each stage), and provide the
entire world with a permanent supply at nearly no cost? Real medicine
costs money because it requires real ingredients (plus the whole issue
of having to recoup all research cost in a short time), but there's no
such limitation on homeopathy. The less ingredients you use, the more
powerful it is, until a remedy with no ingredients at all is extremely
powerful. OK. So provide it all for free. Too bad no real products
work that way.
A drink of sea water should, by their claims then, cure all ills.
Bob Officer
2013-07-16 22:02:13 UTC
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Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:58:57 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:27:42 +0800, in misc.health.alternative, Dan
Post by Dan
http://skep.li/1bdYZM0
Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers
By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00
CLAIMS made on the Society of Homeopaths website that controversial
therapies could treat conditions such as arthritis and hayfever have
been banned in a landmark ruling by advertising watchdogs.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has had a remit since 2011 to
investigate claims made online, and the organisation said it had a large
number of complaints relating to claims on homeopathy websites.
It chose to investigate the website of industry body the Society of
Homeopaths as a test case ?to establish our lead position on claims for
homeopathy?.
The authority also looked at the body?s Twitter page, which included the
tweet: ?Antidepressant prescriptions up by 43 per cent. For more
holistic healthcare which doesn?t rely on drugs try #homeopathy?, with a
link to the home page.
The ASA found that all of the claims investigated were misleading and
breached guidelines on health advertising.
The society?s homepage states: ?There is a growing body of research
evidence suggesting that treatment by a homeopath is clinically
effective, cost-effective and safe.
?Currently, there is sufficient research evidence to support the use of
homeopathic treatment for the following medical conditions: allergies
and upper respiratory tract infections, ankle sprain, bronchitis,
childhood diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, ear infections, fibromyalgia, hay-
fever, influenza, osteoarthritis, premenstrual syndrome, rheumatic
diseases, sinusitis, vertigo.
?Your local homeopath would be happy to discuss any health problems with
you and offer advice about whether they might be able to help.?
The ASA asked whether the site could discourage essential treatment for
conditions for which medical supervision should be sought, and whether
the claims that homeopathy could treat the medical conditions could be
substantiated.
In relation to the tweet, it investigated whether it could discourage
essential treatment for depression, a medical condition for which
medical supervision should be sought, and misleadingly implied that
homeopathic remedies could alleviate symptoms of depression.
The Society of Homeopaths said it did not believe there was anything on
the web page in question, or their website as a whole, which discouraged
patients from seeking medical treatment.
Its site recommended maintaining a relationship with a GP or specialist
and said homepathy could be used ?alongside conventional medicine?, it
pointed out.
But the ASA found that the claims were in breach of advertising rules.
A spokesman said: ?We considered that the reference to these specific
medical conditions meant the ad was targeted at consumers with a pre-
existing diagnosis of these conditions or who were suffering from those
symptoms.
?We considered the average consumer targeted by the ad was therefore
particularly vulnerable.?
All medical claims ?must be backed by evidence?, he said.
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
We need to promote it so it will be the top of google's search
engine. <SEG>
As amusing as that page is, I think it would be more productive to
explain how homeopathy is *claimed* to work. A lot of people still buy
homeopathic products, expecting them to be useful, at least partly
because they're sold next to medicines in drug stores. I've explained
to several people the principles behind homeopathy, and they went from
casual acceptance of it to outraged hilarity. Homeopathy is like a
cockroach---shine a bit of light on it and it scurries away to hide.
For those who *haven't* heard the theory, I suggest doing a bit of
searching. I'd explain it, but I could be considered as biased, as I
don't believe in magic of any kind.
I have offered to show them how silly homeopathy is. The principle of
something being more dilute and yet more powerful, is not seen
anyplace in nature.
We do not dilute gasoline to make it more powerful.
Alcohol, when more dilute will not make you drunker faster. (maybe
there is a market for 100C 50 year old scotch <grin> Maybe selling it
a 50 dollars for 750ml?)
There's plenty of market for aged Scotch, but once you start the 100C
process, nobody wants it. I don't even add a splash (don't buy that
"opens it up" bit), but even those who do want *some* whisky with their
water!
I use chilled rocks, instead of ice. Can you even thing about ruining
two fingers worth of Red Breast or Blanton's with even the melted
ice?

I was pointing out the error of the concept of dilute being more
"powerful". This can be directly measured by taking BAC readings. IF
homeopathy was correct, drinking a shot of 100C alcohol would raise
the BAC faster than a shot of 200 proof (torpedo juice) alcohol.
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
For the claim of "vibrational medicine", we demand a description and
a possible why to detect these so called "vibrations" before the
medicine is allow to be distributed. This idea should also work for
those scammers which sell various healing xtals.
As far as the water having memory, That should be required to be
demonstrated and shown to be true. Then there is the question of how
the memory can be transferred to the sugar pille after the water
evaporates.
Then all these clowns will have to figure out that Hahnemann himself
was doubting his concept when he stated there has to be an end of the
dilutions.
It's funny when the disciples have more faith than their messiah. I've
challenged disciples of homeopathy before, with no rational response.
Instead of continuing to buy one of these remedies, why not simply take
a single purchase of the product, dilute it 1:100 a few times in a row
(with the required magical shaking at each stage), and provide the
entire world with a permanent supply at nearly no cost? Real medicine
costs money because it requires real ingredients (plus the whole issue
of having to recoup all research cost in a short time), but there's no
such limitation on homeopathy. The less ingredients you use, the more
powerful it is, until a remedy with no ingredients at all is extremely
powerful. OK. So provide it all for free. Too bad no real products
work that way.
The problem is too many fools seem to be willing to spread advice
freely, and too many people actually take this foolish advice.
--
Bob Officer
"Whoops .... now where did I put that other braincell?
It make it very hard to work things out.

Oh, I'll check up my arse ...get back to ya."
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BruceS
2013-07-16 23:13:22 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:31:37 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:58:57 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:27:42 +0800, in misc.health.alternative, Dan
Post by Dan
http://skep.li/1bdYZM0
Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers
By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00
CLAIMS made on the Society of Homeopaths website that controversial
therapies could treat conditions such as arthritis and hayfever have
been banned in a landmark ruling by advertising watchdogs.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has had a remit since 2011 to
investigate claims made online, and the organisation said it had a large
number of complaints relating to claims on homeopathy websites.
It chose to investigate the website of industry body the Society of
Homeopaths as a test case ?to establish our lead position on claims for
homeopathy?.
The authority also looked at the body?s Twitter page, which included the
tweet: ?Antidepressant prescriptions up by 43 per cent. For more
holistic healthcare which doesn?t rely on drugs try #homeopathy?, with a
link to the home page.
The ASA found that all of the claims investigated were misleading and
breached guidelines on health advertising.
The society?s homepage states: ?There is a growing body of research
evidence suggesting that treatment by a homeopath is clinically
effective, cost-effective and safe.
?Currently, there is sufficient research evidence to support the use of
homeopathic treatment for the following medical conditions: allergies
and upper respiratory tract infections, ankle sprain, bronchitis,
childhood diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, ear infections, fibromyalgia, hay-
fever, influenza, osteoarthritis, premenstrual syndrome, rheumatic
diseases, sinusitis, vertigo.
?Your local homeopath would be happy to discuss any health problems with
you and offer advice about whether they might be able to help.?
The ASA asked whether the site could discourage essential treatment for
conditions for which medical supervision should be sought, and whether
the claims that homeopathy could treat the medical conditions could be
substantiated.
In relation to the tweet, it investigated whether it could discourage
essential treatment for depression, a medical condition for which
medical supervision should be sought, and misleadingly implied that
homeopathic remedies could alleviate symptoms of depression.
The Society of Homeopaths said it did not believe there was anything on
the web page in question, or their website as a whole, which discouraged
patients from seeking medical treatment.
Its site recommended maintaining a relationship with a GP or specialist
and said homepathy could be used ?alongside conventional medicine?, it
pointed out.
But the ASA found that the claims were in breach of advertising rules.
A spokesman said: ?We considered that the reference to these specific
medical conditions meant the ad was targeted at consumers with a pre-
existing diagnosis of these conditions or who were suffering from those
symptoms.
?We considered the average consumer targeted by the ad was therefore
particularly vulnerable.?
All medical claims ?must be backed by evidence?, he said.
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
We need to promote it so it will be the top of google's search
engine. <SEG>
As amusing as that page is, I think it would be more productive to
explain how homeopathy is *claimed* to work. A lot of people still buy
homeopathic products, expecting them to be useful, at least partly
because they're sold next to medicines in drug stores. I've explained
to several people the principles behind homeopathy, and they went from
casual acceptance of it to outraged hilarity. Homeopathy is like a
cockroach---shine a bit of light on it and it scurries away to hide.
For those who *haven't* heard the theory, I suggest doing a bit of
searching. I'd explain it, but I could be considered as biased, as I
don't believe in magic of any kind.
I have offered to show them how silly homeopathy is. The principle of
something being more dilute and yet more powerful, is not seen
anyplace in nature.
We do not dilute gasoline to make it more powerful.
Alcohol, when more dilute will not make you drunker faster. (maybe
there is a market for 100C 50 year old scotch <grin> Maybe selling it
a 50 dollars for 750ml?)
There's plenty of market for aged Scotch, but once you start the 100C
process, nobody wants it. I don't even add a splash (don't buy that
"opens it up" bit), but even those who do want *some* whisky with their
water!
I use chilled rocks, instead of ice. Can you even thing about ruining
two fingers worth of Red Breast or Blanton's with even the melted
ice?
I was pointing out the error of the concept of dilute being more
"powerful". This can be directly measured by taking BAC readings. IF
homeopathy was correct, drinking a shot of 100C alcohol would raise
the BAC faster than a shot of 200 proof (torpedo juice) alcohol.'
I got that, but just ended up on a tangent since you mentioned whisky.
I don't go for the chilling, either, as that just seems to deaden taste.
This is why Budweiser should be kept at near-ice temperature.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
For the claim of "vibrational medicine", we demand a description and
a possible why to detect these so called "vibrations" before the
medicine is allow to be distributed. This idea should also work for
those scammers which sell various healing xtals.
As far as the water having memory, That should be required to be
demonstrated and shown to be true. Then there is the question of how
the memory can be transferred to the sugar pille after the water
evaporates.
Then all these clowns will have to figure out that Hahnemann himself
was doubting his concept when he stated there has to be an end of the
dilutions.
It's funny when the disciples have more faith than their messiah. I've
challenged disciples of homeopathy before, with no rational response.
Instead of continuing to buy one of these remedies, why not simply take
a single purchase of the product, dilute it 1:100 a few times in a row
(with the required magical shaking at each stage), and provide the
entire world with a permanent supply at nearly no cost? Real medicine
costs money because it requires real ingredients (plus the whole issue
of having to recoup all research cost in a short time), but there's no
such limitation on homeopathy. The less ingredients you use, the more
powerful it is, until a remedy with no ingredients at all is extremely
powerful. OK. So provide it all for free. Too bad no real products
work that way.
The problem is too many fools seem to be willing to spread advice
freely, and too many people actually take this foolish advice.
IOW, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers?
Bob Officer
2013-07-17 02:44:54 UTC
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Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:31:37 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:58:57 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:27:42 +0800, in misc.health.alternative, Dan
Post by Dan
http://skep.li/1bdYZM0
Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers
By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00
CLAIMS made on the Society of Homeopaths website that controversial
therapies could treat conditions such as arthritis and hayfever have
been banned in a landmark ruling by advertising watchdogs.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has had a remit since 2011 to
investigate claims made online, and the organisation said it had a large
number of complaints relating to claims on homeopathy websites.
It chose to investigate the website of industry body the Society of
Homeopaths as a test case ?to establish our lead position on claims for
homeopathy?.
The authority also looked at the body?s Twitter page, which included the
tweet: ?Antidepressant prescriptions up by 43 per cent. For more
holistic healthcare which doesn?t rely on drugs try #homeopathy?, with a
link to the home page.
The ASA found that all of the claims investigated were misleading and
breached guidelines on health advertising.
The society?s homepage states: ?There is a growing body of research
evidence suggesting that treatment by a homeopath is clinically
effective, cost-effective and safe.
?Currently, there is sufficient research evidence to support the use of
homeopathic treatment for the following medical conditions: allergies
and upper respiratory tract infections, ankle sprain, bronchitis,
childhood diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, ear infections, fibromyalgia, hay-
fever, influenza, osteoarthritis, premenstrual syndrome, rheumatic
diseases, sinusitis, vertigo.
?Your local homeopath would be happy to discuss any health problems with
you and offer advice about whether they might be able to help.?
The ASA asked whether the site could discourage essential treatment for
conditions for which medical supervision should be sought, and whether
the claims that homeopathy could treat the medical conditions could be
substantiated.
In relation to the tweet, it investigated whether it could discourage
essential treatment for depression, a medical condition for which
medical supervision should be sought, and misleadingly implied that
homeopathic remedies could alleviate symptoms of depression.
The Society of Homeopaths said it did not believe there was anything on
the web page in question, or their website as a whole, which discouraged
patients from seeking medical treatment.
Its site recommended maintaining a relationship with a GP or specialist
and said homepathy could be used ?alongside conventional medicine?, it
pointed out.
But the ASA found that the claims were in breach of advertising rules.
A spokesman said: ?We considered that the reference to these specific
medical conditions meant the ad was targeted at consumers with a pre-
existing diagnosis of these conditions or who were suffering from those
symptoms.
?We considered the average consumer targeted by the ad was therefore
particularly vulnerable.?
All medical claims ?must be backed by evidence?, he said.
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
We need to promote it so it will be the top of google's search
engine. <SEG>
As amusing as that page is, I think it would be more productive to
explain how homeopathy is *claimed* to work. A lot of people still buy
homeopathic products, expecting them to be useful, at least partly
because they're sold next to medicines in drug stores. I've explained
to several people the principles behind homeopathy, and they went from
casual acceptance of it to outraged hilarity. Homeopathy is like a
cockroach---shine a bit of light on it and it scurries away to hide.
For those who *haven't* heard the theory, I suggest doing a bit of
searching. I'd explain it, but I could be considered as biased, as I
don't believe in magic of any kind.
I have offered to show them how silly homeopathy is. The principle of
something being more dilute and yet more powerful, is not seen
anyplace in nature.
We do not dilute gasoline to make it more powerful.
Alcohol, when more dilute will not make you drunker faster. (maybe
there is a market for 100C 50 year old scotch <grin> Maybe selling it
a 50 dollars for 750ml?)
There's plenty of market for aged Scotch, but once you start the 100C
process, nobody wants it. I don't even add a splash (don't buy that
"opens it up" bit), but even those who do want *some* whisky with their
water!
I use chilled rocks, instead of ice. Can you even thing about ruining
two fingers worth of Red Breast or Blanton's with even the melted
ice?
I was pointing out the error of the concept of dilute being more
"powerful". This can be directly measured by taking BAC readings. IF
homeopathy was correct, drinking a shot of 100C alcohol would raise
the BAC faster than a shot of 200 proof (torpedo juice) alcohol.'
I got that, but just ended up on a tangent since you mentioned whisky.
I don't go for the chilling, either, as that just seems to deaden taste.
This is why Budweiser should be kept at near-ice temperature.
I can still remember one younger brothers. We were in St. Louis. He
was pointing at the Clydesdale which was taking urinating. His voice
ringing out as if it was hollered... "Mom! Look that horse is making
beer!"
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
For the claim of "vibrational medicine", we demand a description and
a possible why to detect these so called "vibrations" before the
medicine is allow to be distributed. This idea should also work for
those scammers which sell various healing xtals.
As far as the water having memory, That should be required to be
demonstrated and shown to be true. Then there is the question of how
the memory can be transferred to the sugar pille after the water
evaporates.
Then all these clowns will have to figure out that Hahnemann himself
was doubting his concept when he stated there has to be an end of the
dilutions.
It's funny when the disciples have more faith than their messiah. I've
challenged disciples of homeopathy before, with no rational response.
Instead of continuing to buy one of these remedies, why not simply take
a single purchase of the product, dilute it 1:100 a few times in a row
(with the required magical shaking at each stage), and provide the
entire world with a permanent supply at nearly no cost? Real medicine
costs money because it requires real ingredients (plus the whole issue
of having to recoup all research cost in a short time), but there's no
such limitation on homeopathy. The less ingredients you use, the more
powerful it is, until a remedy with no ingredients at all is extremely
powerful. OK. So provide it all for free. Too bad no real products
work that way.
The problem is too many fools seem to be willing to spread advice
freely, and too many people actually take this foolish advice.
IOW, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers?
They do tend to feed off of each another, don't they.
--
Bob Officer
"Whoops .... now where did I put that other braincell?
It make it very hard to work things out.

Oh, I'll check up my arse ...get back to ya."
carole hubbard in Message-ID: <f3b680d9-da69-4c7e-99b2-***@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>
Ernie
2013-07-17 09:45:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:13:22 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:31:37 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:58:57 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:27:42 +0800, in misc.health.alternative, Dan
Post by Dan
http://skep.li/1bdYZM0
Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers
By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00
CLAIMS made on the Society of Homeopaths website that controversial
therapies could treat conditions such as arthritis and hayfever have
been banned in a landmark ruling by advertising watchdogs.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has had a remit since 2011 to
investigate claims made online, and the organisation said it had a large
number of complaints relating to claims on homeopathy websites.
It chose to investigate the website of industry body the Society of
Homeopaths as a test case ?to establish our lead position on claims for
homeopathy?.
The authority also looked at the body?s Twitter page, which included the
tweet: ?Antidepressant prescriptions up by 43 per cent. For more
holistic healthcare which doesn?t rely on drugs try #homeopathy?, with a
link to the home page.
The ASA found that all of the claims investigated were misleading and
breached guidelines on health advertising.
The society?s homepage states: ?There is a growing body of research
evidence suggesting that treatment by a homeopath is clinically
effective, cost-effective and safe.
?Currently, there is sufficient research evidence to support the use of
homeopathic treatment for the following medical conditions: allergies
and upper respiratory tract infections, ankle sprain, bronchitis,
childhood diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, ear infections, fibromyalgia, hay-
fever, influenza, osteoarthritis, premenstrual syndrome, rheumatic
diseases, sinusitis, vertigo.
?Your local homeopath would be happy to discuss any health problems with
you and offer advice about whether they might be able to help.?
The ASA asked whether the site could discourage essential treatment for
conditions for which medical supervision should be sought, and whether
the claims that homeopathy could treat the medical conditions could be
substantiated.
In relation to the tweet, it investigated whether it could discourage
essential treatment for depression, a medical condition for which
medical supervision should be sought, and misleadingly implied that
homeopathic remedies could alleviate symptoms of depression.
The Society of Homeopaths said it did not believe there was anything on
the web page in question, or their website as a whole, which discouraged
patients from seeking medical treatment.
Its site recommended maintaining a relationship with a GP or specialist
and said homepathy could be used ?alongside conventional medicine?, it
pointed out.
But the ASA found that the claims were in breach of advertising rules.
A spokesman said: ?We considered that the reference to these specific
medical conditions meant the ad was targeted at consumers with a pre-
existing diagnosis of these conditions or who were suffering from those
symptoms.
?We considered the average consumer targeted by the ad was therefore
particularly vulnerable.?
All medical claims ?must be backed by evidence?, he said.
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
We need to promote it so it will be the top of google's search
engine. <SEG>
As amusing as that page is, I think it would be more productive to
explain how homeopathy is *claimed* to work. A lot of people still buy
homeopathic products, expecting them to be useful, at least partly
because they're sold next to medicines in drug stores. I've explained
to several people the principles behind homeopathy, and they went from
casual acceptance of it to outraged hilarity. Homeopathy is like a
cockroach---shine a bit of light on it and it scurries away to hide.
For those who *haven't* heard the theory, I suggest doing a bit of
searching. I'd explain it, but I could be considered as biased, as I
don't believe in magic of any kind.
I have offered to show them how silly homeopathy is. The principle of
something being more dilute and yet more powerful, is not seen
anyplace in nature.
We do not dilute gasoline to make it more powerful.
Alcohol, when more dilute will not make you drunker faster. (maybe
there is a market for 100C 50 year old scotch <grin> Maybe selling it
a 50 dollars for 750ml?)
There's plenty of market for aged Scotch, but once you start the 100C
process, nobody wants it. I don't even add a splash (don't buy that
"opens it up" bit), but even those who do want *some* whisky with their
water!
I use chilled rocks, instead of ice. Can you even thing about ruining
two fingers worth of Red Breast or Blanton's with even the melted
ice?
For real? Do cold rocks chill as well as ice?

Is the amount of whiskey absorbed into the rock and lost to the consumer
almost nil?

What kind of rocks work best for this (no doubt smooth ones, like those
from a river bed, but can you be more specific as to the rock's origins?)

Good thing rocks can't get drunk.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
I was pointing out the error of the concept of dilute being more
"powerful". This can be directly measured by taking BAC readings. IF
homeopathy was correct, drinking a shot of 100C alcohol would raise
the BAC faster than a shot of 200 proof (torpedo juice) alcohol.'
I got that, but just ended up on a tangent since you mentioned whisky.
I don't go for the chilling, either, as that just seems to deaden taste.
This is why Budweiser should be kept at near-ice temperature.
To deaden the taste of Budweiser? If I recall correctly, the optimal
serving temp of beer in English pubs is about 40 degrees Fahrenheit.
Post by Bob Officer
I can still remember one younger brothers. We were in St. Louis. He
was pointing at the Clydesdale which was taking urinating. His voice
ringing out as if it was hollered... "Mom! Look that horse is making
beer!"
Funny comment, but nasty thought.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
For the claim of "vibrational medicine", we demand a description and
a possible why to detect these so called "vibrations" before the
medicine is allow to be distributed. This idea should also work for
those scammers which sell various healing xtals.
As far as the water having memory, That should be required to be
demonstrated and shown to be true. Then there is the question of how
the memory can be transferred to the sugar pille after the water
evaporates.
Then all these clowns will have to figure out that Hahnemann himself
was doubting his concept when he stated there has to be an end of the
dilutions.
It's funny when the disciples have more faith than their messiah. I've
challenged disciples of homeopathy before, with no rational response.
Instead of continuing to buy one of these remedies, why not simply take
a single purchase of the product, dilute it 1:100 a few times in a row
(with the required magical shaking at each stage), and provide the
entire world with a permanent supply at nearly no cost? Real medicine
costs money because it requires real ingredients (plus the whole issue
of having to recoup all research cost in a short time), but there's no
such limitation on homeopathy. The less ingredients you use, the more
powerful it is, until a remedy with no ingredients at all is extremely
powerful. OK. So provide it all for free. Too bad no real products
work that way.
The problem is too many fools seem to be willing to spread advice
freely, and too many people actually take this foolish advice.
IOW, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers?
They do tend to feed off of each another, don't they.
I've often wondered who carole feeds off of.

There has to be someone outside the ng.
--
"I do binge a little here and there - so what?" - carole
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>
BruceS
2013-07-17 15:00:10 UTC
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Post by Ernie
Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:13:22 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:31:37 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:58:57 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:27:42 +0800, in misc.health.alternative, Dan
Post by Dan
http://skep.li/1bdYZM0
Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers
By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00
CLAIMS made on the Society of Homeopaths website that
controversial
therapies could treat conditions such as arthritis and hayfever have
been banned in a landmark ruling by advertising watchdogs.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has had a remit since 2011 to
investigate claims made online, and the organisation said it had a large
number of complaints relating to claims on homeopathy websites.
It chose to investigate the website of industry body the Society of
Homeopaths as a test case ?to establish our lead position on claims for
homeopathy?.
The authority also looked at the body?s Twitter page, which included the
tweet: ?Antidepressant prescriptions up by 43 per cent. For more
holistic healthcare which doesn?t rely on drugs try
#homeopathy?, with a
link to the home page.
The ASA found that all of the claims investigated were
misleading and
breached guidelines on health advertising.
The society?s homepage states: ?There is a growing body of research
evidence suggesting that treatment by a homeopath is clinically
effective, cost-effective and safe.
?Currently, there is sufficient research evidence to support the use of
homeopathic treatment for the following medical conditions: allergies
and upper respiratory tract infections, ankle sprain, bronchitis,
childhood diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, ear infections,
fibromyalgia, hay-
fever, influenza, osteoarthritis, premenstrual syndrome, rheumatic
diseases, sinusitis, vertigo.
?Your local homeopath would be happy to discuss any health problems with
you and offer advice about whether they might be able to help.?
The ASA asked whether the site could discourage essential treatment for
conditions for which medical supervision should be sought, and whether
the claims that homeopathy could treat the medical conditions could be
substantiated.
In relation to the tweet, it investigated whether it could discourage
essential treatment for depression, a medical condition for which
medical supervision should be sought, and misleadingly implied that
homeopathic remedies could alleviate symptoms of depression.
The Society of Homeopaths said it did not believe there was anything on
the web page in question, or their website as a whole, which discouraged
patients from seeking medical treatment.
Its site recommended maintaining a relationship with a GP or specialist
and said homepathy could be used ?alongside conventional medicine?, it
pointed out.
But the ASA found that the claims were in breach of advertising rules.
A spokesman said: ?We considered that the reference to these specific
medical conditions meant the ad was targeted at consumers with a pre-
existing diagnosis of these conditions or who were suffering from those
symptoms.
?We considered the average consumer targeted by the ad was therefore
particularly vulnerable.?
All medical claims ?must be backed by evidence?, he said.
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
We need to promote it so it will be the top of google's search
engine. <SEG>
As amusing as that page is, I think it would be more productive to
explain how homeopathy is *claimed* to work. A lot of people still buy
homeopathic products, expecting them to be useful, at least partly
because they're sold next to medicines in drug stores. I've explained
to several people the principles behind homeopathy, and they went from
casual acceptance of it to outraged hilarity. Homeopathy is like a
cockroach---shine a bit of light on it and it scurries away to hide.
For those who *haven't* heard the theory, I suggest doing a bit of
searching. I'd explain it, but I could be considered as biased, as I
don't believe in magic of any kind.
I have offered to show them how silly homeopathy is. The principle of
something being more dilute and yet more powerful, is not seen
anyplace in nature.
We do not dilute gasoline to make it more powerful.
Alcohol, when more dilute will not make you drunker faster. (maybe
there is a market for 100C 50 year old scotch <grin> Maybe selling it
a 50 dollars for 750ml?)
There's plenty of market for aged Scotch, but once you start the 100C
process, nobody wants it. I don't even add a splash (don't buy that
"opens it up" bit), but even those who do want *some* whisky with their
water!
I use chilled rocks, instead of ice. Can you even thing about ruining
two fingers worth of Red Breast or Blanton's with even the melted
ice?
For real? Do cold rocks chill as well as ice?
I couldn't say for sure on that. On the one hand, rock would hold more
heat per volume than ice. On the other, there's the latent heat of
melting. Someone should do a test, with the same temperature and volume
of rocks as of ice. Add each to a measured volume of whisky at a set
temperature, and regularly measure the temperature of the result.
Post by Ernie
Is the amount of whiskey absorbed into the rock and lost to the consumer
almost nil?
What kind of rocks work best for this (no doubt smooth ones, like those
from a river bed, but can you be more specific as to the rock's origins?)
The ones I've seen were soapstone, which is not porous. It shouldn't
absorb any of the whisky, nor should it absorb other things that would
then be released into the whisky. Sandstone might be a poor choice.
Post by Ernie
Good thing rocks can't get drunk.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
I was pointing out the error of the concept of dilute being more
"powerful". This can be directly measured by taking BAC readings. IF
homeopathy was correct, drinking a shot of 100C alcohol would raise
the BAC faster than a shot of 200 proof (torpedo juice) alcohol.'
I got that, but just ended up on a tangent since you mentioned whisky.
I don't go for the chilling, either, as that just seems to deaden taste.
This is why Budweiser should be kept at near-ice temperature.
To deaden the taste of Budweiser? If I recall correctly, the optimal
serving temp of beer in English pubs is about 40 degrees Fahrenheit.
Yes, it was a reference to the taste of Bud. FTR, I could just as well
have used any other mass-produced swill; I just chose Bud because it's
so popular. Here in Colorado, we have Coors, which is a byproduct of
Rocky Mountain goats rather than Clydesdales.
Post by Ernie
Post by Bob Officer
I can still remember one younger brothers. We were in St. Louis. He
was pointing at the Clydesdale which was taking urinating. His voice
ringing out as if it was hollered... "Mom! Look that horse is making
beer!"
Funny comment, but nasty thought.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
For the claim of "vibrational medicine", we demand a description and
a possible why to detect these so called "vibrations" before the
medicine is allow to be distributed. This idea should also work for
those scammers which sell various healing xtals.
As far as the water having memory, That should be required to be
demonstrated and shown to be true. Then there is the question of how
the memory can be transferred to the sugar pille after the water
evaporates.
Then all these clowns will have to figure out that Hahnemann himself
was doubting his concept when he stated there has to be an end of the
dilutions.
It's funny when the disciples have more faith than their messiah.
I've
challenged disciples of homeopathy before, with no rational response.
Instead of continuing to buy one of these remedies, why not simply take
a single purchase of the product, dilute it 1:100 a few times in a row
(with the required magical shaking at each stage), and provide the
entire world with a permanent supply at nearly no cost? Real medicine
costs money because it requires real ingredients (plus the whole issue
of having to recoup all research cost in a short time), but there's no
such limitation on homeopathy. The less ingredients you use, the more
powerful it is, until a remedy with no ingredients at all is extremely
powerful. OK. So provide it all for free. Too bad no real products
work that way.
The problem is too many fools seem to be willing to spread advice
freely, and too many people actually take this foolish advice.
IOW, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers?
They do tend to feed off of each another, don't they.
I've often wondered who carole feeds off of.
There has to be someone outside the ng.
Doesn't Carole have a bunch of sock puppets? It would seem that she
feeds off herself. However, there are a *lot* of people who believe in
homeopathy. Despite those stunts where skeptics proved publicly that
huge "overdoses" of homeopathic sleeping remedies etc. had no effect, an
even larger number of people just accept homeopathy without knowing
anything about it. "If it weren't effective, Walgreens wouldn't have it
on the shelf right next to the conventional drugs."
Bob Officer
2013-07-17 15:59:38 UTC
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Post by Ernie
Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:13:22 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:31:37 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:58:57 -0600, in misc.health.alternative,
Post by BruceS
Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:27:42 +0800, in misc.health.alternative, Dan
Post by Dan
http://skep.li/1bdYZM0
Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers
By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00
CLAIMS made on the Society of Homeopaths website that controversial
therapies could treat conditions such as arthritis and hayfever have
been banned in a landmark ruling by advertising watchdogs.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has had a remit since 2011 to
investigate claims made online, and the organisation said it had a large
number of complaints relating to claims on homeopathy websites.
It chose to investigate the website of industry body the Society of
Homeopaths as a test case ?to establish our lead position on claims for
homeopathy?.
The authority also looked at the body?s Twitter page, which included the
tweet: ?Antidepressant prescriptions up by 43 per cent. For more
holistic healthcare which doesn?t rely on drugs try #homeopathy?, with a
link to the home page.
The ASA found that all of the claims investigated were misleading and
breached guidelines on health advertising.
The society?s homepage states: ?There is a growing body of research
evidence suggesting that treatment by a homeopath is clinically
effective, cost-effective and safe.
?Currently, there is sufficient research evidence to support the use of
homeopathic treatment for the following medical conditions: allergies
and upper respiratory tract infections, ankle sprain, bronchitis,
childhood diarrhoea, chronic fatigue, ear infections, fibromyalgia, hay-
fever, influenza, osteoarthritis, premenstrual syndrome, rheumatic
diseases, sinusitis, vertigo.
?Your local homeopath would be happy to discuss any health problems with
you and offer advice about whether they might be able to help.?
The ASA asked whether the site could discourage essential treatment for
conditions for which medical supervision should be sought, and whether
the claims that homeopathy could treat the medical conditions could be
substantiated.
In relation to the tweet, it investigated whether it could discourage
essential treatment for depression, a medical condition for which
medical supervision should be sought, and misleadingly implied that
homeopathic remedies could alleviate symptoms of depression.
The Society of Homeopaths said it did not believe there was anything on
the web page in question, or their website as a whole, which discouraged
patients from seeking medical treatment.
Its site recommended maintaining a relationship with a GP or specialist
and said homepathy could be used ?alongside conventional medicine?, it
pointed out.
But the ASA found that the claims were in breach of advertising rules.
A spokesman said: ?We considered that the reference to these specific
medical conditions meant the ad was targeted at consumers with a pre-
existing diagnosis of these conditions or who were suffering from those
symptoms.
?We considered the average consumer targeted by the ad was therefore
particularly vulnerable.?
All medical claims ?must be backed by evidence?, he said.
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
We need to promote it so it will be the top of google's search
engine. <SEG>
As amusing as that page is, I think it would be more productive to
explain how homeopathy is *claimed* to work. A lot of people still buy
homeopathic products, expecting them to be useful, at least partly
because they're sold next to medicines in drug stores. I've explained
to several people the principles behind homeopathy, and they went from
casual acceptance of it to outraged hilarity. Homeopathy is like a
cockroach---shine a bit of light on it and it scurries away to hide.
For those who *haven't* heard the theory, I suggest doing a bit of
searching. I'd explain it, but I could be considered as biased, as I
don't believe in magic of any kind.
I have offered to show them how silly homeopathy is. The principle of
something being more dilute and yet more powerful, is not seen
anyplace in nature.
We do not dilute gasoline to make it more powerful.
Alcohol, when more dilute will not make you drunker faster. (maybe
there is a market for 100C 50 year old scotch <grin> Maybe selling it
a 50 dollars for 750ml?)
There's plenty of market for aged Scotch, but once you start the 100C
process, nobody wants it. I don't even add a splash (don't buy that
"opens it up" bit), but even those who do want *some* whisky with their
water!
I use chilled rocks, instead of ice. Can you even thing about ruining
two fingers worth of Red Breast or Blanton's with even the melted
ice?
For real? Do cold rocks chill as well as ice?
Yes.
Post by Ernie
Is the amount of whiskey absorbed into the rock and lost to the consumer
almost nil?
It is nil.
Post by Ernie
What kind of rocks work best for this (no doubt smooth ones, like those
from a river bed, but can you be more specific as to the rock's origins?)
http://www.amazon.com/Sea-Stones-Chillers-10-Ounce-Tumblers/dp/B004SM381E
Post by Ernie
Good thing rocks can't get drunk.
Yep!
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I was pointing out the error of the concept of dilute being more
"powerful". This can be directly measured by taking BAC readings. IF
homeopathy was correct, drinking a shot of 100C alcohol would raise
the BAC faster than a shot of 200 proof (torpedo juice) alcohol.'
I got that, but just ended up on a tangent since you mentioned whisky.
I don't go for the chilling, either, as that just seems to deaden taste.
This is why Budweiser should be kept at near-ice temperature.
To deaden the taste of Budweiser? If I recall correctly, the optimal
serving temp of beer in English pubs is about 40 degrees Fahrenheit.
Some wheat based beers will sour quickly if they get too warm.
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I can still remember one younger brothers. We were in St. Louis. He
was pointing at the Clydesdale which was taking urinating. His voice
ringing out as if it was hollered... "Mom! Look that horse is making
beer!"
Funny comment, but nasty thought.
Kids! He was about 4 then. I had a very innocent 10 year old's look
on my face.
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For the claim of "vibrational medicine", we demand a description and
a possible why to detect these so called "vibrations" before the
medicine is allow to be distributed. This idea should also work for
those scammers which sell various healing xtals.
As far as the water having memory, That should be required to be
demonstrated and shown to be true. Then there is the question of how
the memory can be transferred to the sugar pille after the water
evaporates.
Then all these clowns will have to figure out that Hahnemann himself
was doubting his concept when he stated there has to be an end of the
dilutions.
It's funny when the disciples have more faith than their messiah. I've
challenged disciples of homeopathy before, with no rational response.
Instead of continuing to buy one of these remedies, why not simply take
a single purchase of the product, dilute it 1:100 a few times in a row
(with the required magical shaking at each stage), and provide the
entire world with a permanent supply at nearly no cost? Real medicine
costs money because it requires real ingredients (plus the whole issue
of having to recoup all research cost in a short time), but there's no
such limitation on homeopathy. The less ingredients you use, the more
powerful it is, until a remedy with no ingredients at all is extremely
powerful. OK. So provide it all for free. Too bad no real products
work that way.
The problem is too many fools seem to be willing to spread advice
freely, and too many people actually take this foolish advice.
IOW, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers?
They do tend to feed off of each another, don't they.
I've often wondered who carole feeds off of.
The voices in her head?
Post by Ernie
There has to be someone outside the ng.
I suspect she spends hours looking at different woo sites. Places
like whale.to and elsewhere. Look at her so called web site
collection of nonsense. She is running a close second to a dew junk
sites.
--
Bob Officer
Carole Hubbard describes her difficulties in understanding:
"Yeah ok. Everybody keeps telling me to read this and that.
Hell I'm still trying to plough my way through
http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html "
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Clayton
2013-07-17 03:52:07 UTC
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Post by Dan
http://skep.li/1bdYZM0
Homeopathy claims banned for ?misleading? readers
By ANGUS HOWARTH
Published on 03/07/2013 00:00
Yes, another win for big pharma and corporate medicine.

However, the people are starting to get the picture of how far big
pharma will go to eliminate and keep quiet any remedy that they can't
make money from.

It takes a psychopath (or moron) like dan to think this is good news.
Dan must be the korean interpreter in the video -

Harold and Kumer Interrogation scene



Clayton

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